[CWG-Stewardship] FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft: 08-05-2016
Arasteh
kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Mon Aug 8 13:25:50 UTC 2016
Dear highly qualified top expert
I disagree with you
The natter is not a personal or a specific Group issue
The case involve the entire community
We must convince the participants
Here we do not agree with a private club arrangement
I strongly maintain my comments
You said about your group!!!!
What Group you are talking about.
No one possess a particular group.
We must respect people and their comments
Pls be more kind and non aggressive
Tks
Kavouss
Sent from my iPhone
> On 8 Aug 2016, at 06:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Agree totally with you, in this, Chuck
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> Cheryl Langdon-Orr ... (CLO)
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> about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr
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>> On 8 August 2016 at 13:32, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>> I for one trust the experts who have put this together. Unless others with comparable expertise can point out any significant problems, I am willing to trust those who are representing us. If there are any serious problems, we will have the public comment period to catch them.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 7, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Full disclosure: I'm a trustee and part of the group that is
>> > negotiating this agreement on behalf of the IETF Trust.
>> >
>> > I want first of all to agree in general with Greg's responses. But I
>> > also implore people to think very hard about fussing with the text
>> > from the lawyers when the CWG negotiating team brings it to you. We
>> > really only have a few days to do this. These agreements need to go
>> > out to public comment before ICANN prepares its report for NTIA. That
>> > happens Friday, so comment needs to start on Thursday. If we miss
>> > this window, then the IPR piece (which is a prerequisite for the
>> > transition) will not be complete in NTIA's evaluation, and they may
>> > decide to renew the IANA contract. In effect, we have to be done
>> > everything but document preparation on Wednesday.
>> >
>> > It would be a terrible shame if the transition fell apart on a small
>> > matter like the IPR. I believe the better thing to ask in every case
>> > is not whether something is exactly the way you would do it, but
>> > whether it is something you can live with. If the answer is, "Yes," I
>> > would encourage you to say so.
>> >
>> > Thanks and best regards,
>> >
>> > A
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:07:17PM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >> Please see my responses (in "balloon" comments) to Kavouss's comments.
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>> No matter who made the changes, I am commenting on the text not on the
>> >>> author's identity.
>> >>> I have had to convert the PDF in word and have done my verifications and
>> >>> attached my comments
>> >>> There are serious problems in some of the terms.
>> >>> I have indicated all in terms of deletion with reasons and/or with
>> >>> comments in round bracket.
>> >>> Regartds
>> >>> Kavouss
>> >>>
>> >>> 2016-08-07 20:15 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> The changes were not made by me. The changes were made by the CWG's
>> >>>> counsel and the IETF Trust's counsel working collaboratively, which came
>> >>>> after discussion of the IANA IPR collaborative group (including reps of all
>> >>>> the communities and the Trust).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't have the redline in Word. I sent to the list everything that was
>> >>>> initially sent by the IETF Trust's counsel to CWG's counsel to the Client
>> >>>> Committee list.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Greg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dear ALL
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I HAVE no comments on the initial text before being changed
>> >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2016-08-07 18:04 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Seun
>> >>>>>> NO
>> >>>>>> PLS DO NOT MAKE MY JOB HARD..
>> >>>>>> WHY NOT A RED MARK WORD VERSION
>> >>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2016-08-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hello Kavous,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> An option could be that you look at the PDF and make your comment on
>> >>>>>>> the word version(though you can make comment on the pdf as well)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Another option is if you (or someone) has the previous clean version
>> >>>>>>> then one can produce a redline off the two clean versions.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent from my LG G4
>> >>>>>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 7 Aug 2016 4:37 p.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Dear Andrew,
>> >>>>>>>> Tks again for your kind reply.
>> >>>>>>>> Please send me a red mark Word Version and I Will reply today.
>> >>>>>>>> I HAVE SOME CONCERS ON SOME OF THE CHANGED MADE BY GREC
>> >>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2016-08-07 17:28 GMT+02:00 Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know whetheer you will get that before tomorrow, and that is
>> >>>>>>>>> really rather late. Can you at least say what your concerns are?
>> >>>>>>>>> There really isn't a lot of time: this needs to go to public comment
>> >>>>>>>>> on Thursday. An additional day to wait for the comments would be
>> >>>>>>>>> bad.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> A
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 05:14:50PM +0200, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Seun,
>> >>>>>>>>>> I know that a word version was included but the Word Version is a
>> >>>>>>>>> clean
>> >>>>>>>>>> Text and it is difficult to identify the changes .I wish to see
>> >>>>>>>>> what was
>> >>>>>>>>>> the changes introduced by Greg
>> >>>>>>>>>> I still need the red mark text in WORD VERSION.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> 2016-08-07 14:09 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> A word version was included in Greg's mail
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my LG G4
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Aug 2016 10:36 a.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <
>> >>>>>>>>> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grec,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the amendments. I do not agree with
>> >>>>>>>>> some of them
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In order to enable me to provide my counter comments to you,
>> >>>>>>>>> pls provide
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a word version of your amendment as soon as convinient
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kavouss
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2016-08-07 0:22 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CWG,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am forwarding a revised draft of the proposed Community
>> >>>>>>>>> Agreement
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> relating to the IANA IPR. In addition to any other comments
>> >>>>>>>>> you may have,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I draw your attention to the two specific items in the email
>> >>>>>>>>> below: (1)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying an entity to sign for the names community, and (2)
>> >>>>>>>>> providing a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the IANA Services used by the names
>> >>>>>>>>> community (
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *see* Exhibit A for descriptions provided by the other
>> >>>>>>>>> communities).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This will be the subject of further refinement by the IPR
>> >>>>>>>>> collaborative
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> group early in the week, with the goal of initiating a public
>> >>>>>>>>> comment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> period as soon as possible after the CWG-IANA meeting on
>> >>>>>>>>> Thursday.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Hofheimer, Joshua T. <jhofheimer at sidley.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:55 PM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [client com] FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft:
>> >>>>>>>>> 08-05-2016
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Client <cwg-client at icann.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Client Committee,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached please find a revised draft of the proposed Community
>> >>>>>>>>> Agreement
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for your review and comment. This is an iterative version
>> >>>>>>>>> prepared jointly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> by counsel (Sidley) to the CWG and counsel to the IETF Trust
>> >>>>>>>>> to reflect the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 7-point discussion items. To be clear, it is still a work in
>> >>>>>>>>> progress, but
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we believe ready for the CWG to have an opportunity for review.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Two important issues to highlight:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) the Names Community needs to determine who will be the
>> >>>>>>>>> signatory
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> party, acting on behalf of the Names Community, to the
>> >>>>>>>>> Community
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreement. For your information, the attached draft has the
>> >>>>>>>>> organizations
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> put forward to represent the Numbers and Protocols
>> >>>>>>>>> Communities; and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) we need a brief description of the IANA services to be
>> >>>>>>>>> provided on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf of the Names Community. The following high-level
>> >>>>>>>>> description was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> included in a draft of the Naming Functions Agreement. If
>> >>>>>>>>> this is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable for including here is well, please advise (or we
>> >>>>>>>>> ask the Client
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee to provide a sufficient description):
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The “*IANA Naming Function*” is comprised of:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (a) Management of the DNS Root Zone (“*Root Zone
>> >>>>>>>>> Management*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ”);
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) Management of the .INT top-level domain;
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (c) Maintenance of a repository of
>> >>>>>>>>> internationalized
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> domain name tables and label generation rule sets; and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (d) Provision of other services related to the
>> >>>>>>>>> management
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of .INT top-level domains, at ICANN’s reasonable request and
>> >>>>>>>>> at ICANN’s
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> expense.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any comment or feedback as soon as practical,
>> >>>>>>>>> as we are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to finalize the draft for approval by the various
>> >>>>>>>>> stakeholders and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> release for public comment by Thursday.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Joshua Hofheimer*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sidley Austin LLP*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *jhofheimer at sidley.com <jhofheimer at sidley.com>*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* iana-ipr-bounces at nro.net [mailto:
>> >>>>>>>>> iana-ipr-bounces at nro.net] *On
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Jorge Contreras
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 10:01 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* iana-ipr at nro.net
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Iana-ipr] Revised Community Agreement Draft:
>> >>>>>>>>> 08-05-2016
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All – attached is a draft of the Community Agreement that Josh
>> >>>>>>>>> and I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have collaborated on over the past two days. We believe that
>> >>>>>>>>> it reflects
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the current requirements of the parties, and submit it for
>> >>>>>>>>> your review and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A clean version, as well as a marked version against the draft
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 07-30-16 (in PDF format) are attached.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note a few items that still need to be completed,
>> >>>>>>>>> including the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> description of the IANA Names Service, the identities of the
>> >>>>>>>>> CCG
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> representatives, etc.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge L. Contreras
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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