[CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community

Wed Sep 14 17:28:53 UTC 2016

Dear Jonathan,

I do not see any valid justification for what Sidley said.

Why there should be, in addition of two co-chairs the third person and why
from IPC

The co-chairs are from ccNSO   and GNSO

Why not the third person, if really necessary should not be from other
SO/AC

GNSO IS ALREADY REPRESENTED.

What is the role of Sidley supporting IPC?

I am not convinced with these behind the scene agreement

Kavouss

2016-09-14 19:03 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:

> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On 14 Sep 2016 5:23 p.m., "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson at afilias.info>
> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> > to review the role and function of the CWG in order to understand:
> >
>
> SO: Sure you meant CCG here.
>
> >
> >
> > 1.      Skills and expertise required for the CCG reps
> >
> > 2.      Skills and expertise required for the CCG co-chair in particular
> > (Sidley’s guidance on the last call was that intellectual property
> experience is necessary)
> >
>
> SO:Will be good to have IPC among the 3 but I don't think the Co-Chair
> "must" be from IPC in that Co-Chair only serve as communication medium.
>
> Regards
>
> > 3.      Likely time commitment required for the CCG reps
> >
> >
> >
> > To this extent, we wanted to remind you of the description of the CCG in
> the community agreement (ARTICLE 2). We have copied ARTICLE 2 into the body
> text below.
> >
> > The whole agreement is also attached for your ease of reference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank-you for your attention to this detail point.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lise & Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > ARTICLE 2      COMMUNITY COORDINATION GROUP
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.1       Formation and Purpose of CCG.  The CCG is hereby formed, and
> shall operate in accordance with the terms set forth below, to provide
> guidance, advice, and if expressly specified in this Agreement, approvals,
> to the IETF Trust regarding the stewardship of the IANA Intellectual
> Property.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.2       Composition of CCG.  The CCG shall be comprised of nine (9)
> individuals, three (3) appointed by each of the Operational Communities
> (such nine (9) individuals, the “CCG Representatives”). Each Operational
> Community shall have the right to change any of its CCG Representatives
> upon written notice to the other Operational Communities and the IETF
> Trust.  An Operational Community may remove or replace its CCG
> Representatives at any time and in its sole discretion.  The means and
> procedures by which an Operational Community elects to select, appoint and
> remove its own CCG Representatives shall be determined solely by that
> Operational Community and such procedures and compliance therewith are
> beyond the scope of this Agreement.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.3       CCG Co-Chairs.
> >
> >   a.  Each Operational Community shall appoint one of its CCG
> Representatives as a co-chair of the CCG. An Operational Community shall
> have the right to change its CCG co-chair upon written notice to the other
> Operational Communities and the IETF Trust.  An Operational Community may
> remove or replace its CCG co-chair at any time and in its sole discretion.
> >
> >   b.  The CCG co-chairs shall be the IETF Trust’s primary points of
> contact with the CCG for purposes of this Agreement, and the CCG co-chair
> appointed by a particular Operational Community shall be the IETF Trust’s
> primary point of contact with such Operational Community for purposes of
> this Agreement.
> >
> >
> >
> >   c.  The IETF Trust shall be authorized hereunder to treat a
> communication from the CCG co-chairs collectively as a communication from
> the CCG as a whole when the communication identifies itself as such, and
> the IETF Trust shall not be required to make any additional inquiry
> regarding the authority or validity of instructions or requests made by the
> co-chairs collectively on behalf of the CCG. Any such communication shall
> be sent to the CCG Representatives contemporaneously with being sent to the
> IETF Trust.
> >
> >
> >
> >   d.  The IETF Trust shall be authorized hereunder to treat a
> communication from any CCG co-chair as a communication from that co-chair’s
> Operational Community when the communication identifies itself as such, and
> the IETF Trust shall not be required to make any additional inquiry
> regarding the authority or validity of instructions or requests made by any
> co-chair on behalf of that co-chair’s Operational Community. Any such
> communication shall be sent to the CCG Representatives contemporaneously
> with being sent to the IETF Trust.
> >
> >
> >
> >   e.  If the IETF Trust is required under this Agreement, or otherwise
> elects, to consult with and seek the advice of the CCG with respect to the
> matters set forth in this Agreement, the IETF Trust will consider in good
> faith the advice and recommendations provided by the CCG.  There is a
> rebuttable presumption that the IETF Trust will accept the advice and
> recommendations of the CCG.  If the IETF Trust, in its reasonable
> discretion, determines that it is not advisable to accept such advice or
> recommendation, it will meet and confer with the CCG to explain the IETF
> Trust’s rationale for desiring to elect a different course of action, and
> the CCG and the IETF Trust shall in good faith use reasonable best efforts
> to come to consensus on a resolution.  If the IETF Trust and the CCG are
> not successful in achieving consensus with respect to the handling of the
> advice and recommendations of the CCG, the IETF Trust is entitled, without
> breaching this Agreement, to adopt or implement a position different from
> such CCG advice or recommendation.  To be clear, this Section 2.3(e) does
> not supersede the IETF Trust’s obligations to the CCG and the Operational
> Communities under Section 3.2(d), 3.2(e) or Section 3.2(g).
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.4       CCG Operational Procedures.  The CCG shall adopt, by
> consensus, its own operational rules and procedures, including requirements
> relating to voting, quorum, calling of meetings, actions taken by the CCG
> co-chairs (individually or collectively), action taken outside of meetings
> and the like, at its first meeting, and shall thereafter revise such rules
> and procedures as permitted thereby.  Such procedures shall not constitute
> a part of this Agreement, and compliance with such procedures shall be
> beyond the scope of this Agreement.  The CCG may invite representatives of
> the IETF Trust to attend its meetings, but such attendance is not required,
> or the CCG may request the IETF Trust to appoint a liaison/non-voting ex
> officio member to the CCG.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
> > Sent: 12 September 2016 07:58
> > To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > I did not say that .
> >
> > If you or we have decided that two seats be filled by two co-chairs, I
> have no problem at all.
> >
> > For the third one ,we need to discuss to see if there is only one self
> candidate for one seat that tacit élection ruiles apply .If it is more than
> one and we need to decide.
> >
> > By the way people should not pretend that they do not uinderstand me.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > KAVOUSS
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-09-12 3:23 GMT+02:00 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>:
> >>
> >> I don’t understand Kavouss.  Are you suggesting that the Names
> Community should not fill all three seats on the CCG?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, what did I say that conveys my support of anything in my message
> below?  I simply reported what happened in the meeting and associated it to
> Seun’s suggestion.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-
> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:45 PM
> >> To: Jonathan Robinson; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan,
> >>
> >> I do not understand the argument of Seun that all of the sudden he
> becomes smeared supporter of Intellectual property.
> >>
> >> I do not understand that nor the support of Chuck.
> >>
> >> I do not think that we need additional person at all
> >>
> >> Kavouss
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2016-09-10 16:51 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>:
> >>
> >> Seun,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please note that the drafting of the letter of appointment (as per the
> action you refer to) does not in any way pre-suppose the names of the
> actual appointees.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As the call records will show, I put a strawman out for the IANA IPR
> Group as the initial appointees for the CCG reps; 2 x Co-chairs (of CWG)
> plus Greg Shatan (as CCG Co-Chair).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Any other suggestions / proposals are clearly very welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
> >> Sent: 10 September 2016 13:51
> >> To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>; Brenda Brewer <
> brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> >> Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Seun,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Note that it was suggested that Greg Shatan serve as one of the interim
> CCG members; if we do that, it clearly would satisfy your recommendation
> that “a third interim member is selected from the intellectual property
> constituency”.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-
> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Seun Ojedeji
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:46 AM
> >> To: Brenda Brewer
> >> Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my LG G4
> >> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >>
> >> On 10 Sep 2016 9:05 a.m., "Brenda Brewer" <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> wrote:
> >> > Discussed selection of CCG representatives.
> >> > Suggestion that CWG co-chairs act as interim CCG reps until
> a process is figured out by the chartering organizations.
> >> >
> >>
> >> SO: Like I raised on the call, I think we may be putting too much
> responsibilities on the Co-Chairs who are volunteers. I expect quite a lot
> of developmental/setup activity will commence once these various groups are
> formed, which may imply significant amount of time commitment. I will like
> to suggest we select other members within the CWG to serve as interim
> instead. However, whoever we select should include someone from the
> intellectual property constituency as I think this would be their area of
> strength. The interims should agree to report to the CWG/COs and make
> decisions based on their approval.
> >>
> >> > ACTION (Client committee): instruct Sidley to draft a
> letter of appointment of CCG reps.
> >> >
> >>
> >> SO: I left the room during this discussion, does the action above imply
> that it has been concluded that we use the Co-Chairs? If that is the case,
> I suggest a third interim member is selected from the intellectual property
> constituency.
> >>
> >> On a much lighter note, i hope it has been clarified that there is no
> possible conflict in having PTI board members serve as CCG members.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> > 5. AOB
> >> >
> >> > IRP will be functional by the time of the tra
>
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