[Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Mon Jul 16 21:33:25 UTC 2018


The problem in my view is that the temp spec erred in referring to 
registrant data. Too limited.  Registration data is a better term to use.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2018-07-16 12:20, Susan Kawaguchi wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> I sent a couple comments last night but very concerned with how we can 
> issue a Final report for the ePDP and then go back and do another 
> initial report.  I think we should consider all of these as numbered 
> deliverables until the work of the ePDP is finalized and then submit a 
> Final Report.
>
>
> The*second deliverabl*e shall be the Initial Report which will include 
> the items that received full consensus support per the triage document 
> as well as all other items of the Temporary Specification (not 
> including the Annex) that were considered and deliberated upon, 
> followed by a Final Report following review of public comments. Per 
> the illustrative timeline in section II of the charter, this implies 
> that the Initial Report on the items related to the Temporary 
> Specification (excluding the Annex) is expected to be published for 
> public comment shortly after ICANN63 (October 2018) and the *Final 
> Report* delivered to the GNSO Council for its consideration by the end 
> of January / beginning of February 2019.
>
> The third deliverable of the EPDP Team shall be an*Initial Report 
> *outlining aproposed model [PL1] [DK2] of a system for providing 
> accredited access to non-public registration data, where items having 
> Full Consensus of the group are:
>
>
> Other point I made was concerning the use of "registration" vs 
> "registrant" data.  For the most part the Temp Spec addresses 
> Registrant data (and this is what is in dispute) not the full 
> registration data which includes generated , register, and registry data.
>
>
> We should reference registrant data unless we the topic includes all 
> of the fields in the record.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [PL1]Not clear what the “the proposed model” is? Should it be “a 
> proposed model”?
>
> [DK2]Corrected to “a proposed model”
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:11 AM, McGrady, Paul D. 
> <PMcGrady at winston.com <mailto:PMcGrady at winston.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks Keith.
>
>     We can support my alternative language in J, even though I think
>     the issue of harmonization is an important one the WG should
>     consider.  We can’t support Pam’s proposed language, so hopefully,
>     Pam can agree that my alternative language is acceptable.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Paul
>
>     *From:* Drazek, Keith [mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com
>     <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>]
>     *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 10:58 AM
>     *To:* McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady at winston.com
>     <mailto:PMcGrady at winston.com>>; pam.little at alibaba-inc.com
>     <mailto:pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>; Epdp-dt at icann.org
>     <mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>; marika.konings at icann.org
>     <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>     *Subject:* RE: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope
>
>     Hi Pam and Paul,
>
>     Attached is an updated version incorporating Pam’s edits and
>     responding to her questions. I incorporated Paul’s suggested
>     language below for Section J.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Keith
>
>     *From:* McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady at winston.com
>     <mailto:PMcGrady at winston.com>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 7:37 AM
>     *To:* Pam Little <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com
>     <mailto:pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>>; Epdp-dt at icann.org
>     <mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>; marika.konings at icann.org
>     <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>; Drazek, Keith
>     <kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
>     *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope
>
>     Hi Pam,
>
>     Thank you for your proposed edits.  However, I do think that they
>     eliminate an important concept that we were trying to get at and
>     would prefer the question revert to its previous formulation.
>
>     If the DT decides to eliminate the concept of
>     reconciliation/avoiding an unharmonized approach, I still think
>     your proposed changes need some work.
>
>     If we change to “Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access”
>     be clarified or defined…” I think that leads us down the wrong
>     path.  J1 already focuses on clarifying and defining reasonable
>     access.  I think we could ask “Can the obligation to provide
>     “reasonable access” be further clarified and/or better defined
>     through the implementation of a community-wide model…”  We lose
>     the idea of harmonization, which was the purpose of the question
>     in the first place, but ultimately those working on the answer
>     will hopefully take into account issues that would tend to bring a
>     discordant result and try to avoid those outcomes.
>
>     So, Keith, we would prefer that the question revert.  If we can’t
>     get that, we would be OK with:
>
>     “Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be further
>     clarified and/or better defined through the implementation of a
>     community-wide model for access or similar framework which takes
>     into account at least the following elements:”
>
>     Best to all,
>
>     Paul
>
>     *From:* Epdp-dt [mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Pam Little
>     *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 1:50 AM
>     *To:* Epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>;
>     marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>;
>     Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope
>
>     Hi Keith
>
>     Many thanks to you and the small drafting team for the "final" draft.
>
>     Because of time zone differences, I have not had an opportunity to
>     discuss this with my RrSG councillors or RrSG members but, in the
>     interest fo time, I have made some suggested edits and queries to
>     the final draft. Most of them are intended to correct minor errors
>     or add more clarity and consistency so I hope they are not
>     controversial, except perhaps my proposed change to J2 below:
>
>     "J2) Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be
>     clarified or definedreconciled with the objective of avoiding, to
>     the extent possible, an unharmonized approach to third-party
>     access to registration data, , without the implementation of a
>     community-wide model for access or similar framework which takes
>     into account at least the following elements:"
>
>     It seems to me neither the langauge in the previous draft (re
>     fragmentation of WHOIS) nor the final draft was helpful hence my
>     proposed change to try to make it more neutral.
>
>     I also have a question regarding the last paragraph in the final
>     draft:
>
>     /"The EPDP Team shall respect the //timelines//and deliverables as
>     outlined in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws and the EPDP
>     Manual. As per the GNSO EPDP Working Group Guidelines, the EPDP
>     Team shall develop a work plan that outlines the necessary steps
>     and expected timing in order to achieve the milestones of the EPDP
>     as set out in Annex A and A-1 of the ICANN Bylaws and the EPDP
>     Manual and submit this to the GNSO Council. Any significant
>     updates to the work plan are expected to be communicated in a
>     timely manner to the GNSO Council with an explanation as to why
>     the work plan needed adjustment." /
>
>     The final draft Charter has set timelines for Deliverable 2. Is
>     the EPDP Team expected to develop a work plan for all three
>     deliverables?
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Pam
>
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>         Sent at:2018 Jul 16 (Mon) 13:08
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>         Subject:[Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope
>
>         Hello again everyone….
>
>         Now attached is the final draft of the EPDP WG Charter scope
>         section for your review and our vote on the 19^th .
>
>         I have attached the redline version (against the version
>         circulate to the DT last Wednesday) and the clean version.
>
>         Thanks for your patience and for the constructive input of all
>         parties.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Keith
>
>         *From:* Drazek, Keith
>         *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:28 AM
>         *To:* Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com
>         <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
>         *Cc:* Epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>;
>         marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>         *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] [Epdp-dt] EPDP Scope
>
>         Hi all. Please wait before reviewing. I may have jumped the
>         gun and we may have more suggested edits incoming from NCSG.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Keith
>
>
>         On Jul 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Drazek, Keith via Epdp-dt
>         <epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         As discussed on Wednesday’s EPDP Drafting Team call, attached
>         is the final draft of the EPDP charter scope section.
>
>         I received a few suggested edits from Stephanie and Darcy and
>         did my best to incorporate/address them. The small group has
>         reviewed and agreed this is ready for approval at the 19 July
>         Council meeting.
>
>         Thanks to everyone for your contributions to this effort.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Keith
>
>         <Updated Scope Section 15 July 2018 -- Consolidated Edits.docx>
>
>         <Updated Scope Section 15 July 2018 -- Consolidated Edits
>         CLEAN.docx>
>
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