[Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Materials, action items from today's PP IRT meeting
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Wed Sep 13 14:21:50 UTC 2017
I may be a heretic, but when looking at the escrow requirement, we may
also look at reducing the frequency of the uploads. I would propose that
for privacy services, weekly uploads to the excrow service or even
bi-weekly uploads may be sufficient due to the reduced relevance of
these services in the registration process compared to that of a registrar.
This would also likely serve to reduce costs.
Am 13.09.2017 um 14:02 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
> We all agree that the providers need to escrow
>
> We also probably agree that the current setup for escrow would be problematic due to its lack of flexibility
>
> However, as I mentioned on the call yesterday, we’ve no way of knowing about all possible scenarios, so whatever is done needs to be flexible enough to ensure that the data is escrowed
>
>
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> On 13/09/2017, 12:41, "gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces at icann.org on behalf of gtheo" <gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces at icann.org on behalf of gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Ah yes, that would be problematic in that scenario.
> Multiple deposits seem to counter balance that issue.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Theo
>
>
>
> Volker Greimann schreef op 2017-09-13 01:17 PM:
> > Hi Theo,
> >
> > this is something where we actually disagree. I do not think a single
> > deposit is necessarily the best solution.
> >
> > Imagine a non-affiliated service provider that provides the service
> > for registrations at multiple registrars. If we demanded a single
> > deposit, he would be barred from the ability of escrowing the relevant
> > data through the respective registrar deposits. But that provider may
> > not even have that data because their business is set up in a way that
> > they only provide their address to the registrars for customers that
> > and handling, but none of the actual domain management, so the
> > underlying data rests with the registrars.
> >
> > Therefore, multiple deposits must be possible.
> >
> > As long as the provider ensures the underlying data is deposited, we
> > should be fine.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Volker
> >
> >
> > Am 13.09.2017 um 13:08 schrieb gtheo:
> >> One more addition to this to keep it basic and straightforward.
> >>
> >> Keep it to a single deposit.
> >>
> >> Do not mix registrar deposits with privacy providers in combination
> >> with every scenario that is possible.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Theo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> gtheo schreef op 2017-09-13 12:13 PM:
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> Escrow.
> >>>
> >>> Privacy providers must escrow data, we all agreed this should be the
> >>> case.
> >>>
> >>> The scenarios demonstrated by Francisco yesterday was helpful, and I
> >>> hope that the IRT members understand that these scenarios are just a
> >>> few scenarios, we can identify much more that are already out there.
> >>>
> >>> In my opinion, it will be counter productive to try to flesh out all
> >>> these scenarios.
> >>> It is a lot of work, and most likely we will not be able to capture
> >>> all scenarios.
> >>>
> >>> But if every privacy provider has to escrow we do not have to include
> >>> all those scenarios.
> >>>
> >>> The only issue is here is the non-affiliated provider.
> >>> We do not have their data, and we cannot escrow their data as a
> >>> Registrar or platform provider. If the non-affiliated provider would
> >>> move to our platform, no problem, but this is more of a definitional
> >>> issue of what a non-affiliated privacy provider is.
> >>>
> >>> Everything else be it affiliated, a reseller, whatever, IF it is on
> >>> our platform, we can escrow the data. Be it in one big deposit, a
> >>> separate deposit, deposits with different escrow agents, technically
> >>> all possible and happening.
> >>>
> >>> A non-affiliated privacy provider has no affiliation with a Registrar
> >>> or platform provider, not technical nor contractual.
> >>> They should take care of their deposits, and there are plenty of
> >>> options on how to do this.
> >>> They should mention in their deposits at which Registrar the domain
> >>> names are located.
> >>> I assume everyone in the IRT agrees we do not want to end up with a
> >>> deposit that is not usable.
> >>>
> >>> As soon a non-affiliated privacy provider would use the service of a
> >>> Registrar or platform provider there is a contractual relation, and
> >>> the privacy provider is no longer not affiliated. Does this make
> >>> sense?
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if there are any questions on this subject.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Theo Geurts
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Amy Bivins schreef op 2017-09-12 06:26 PM:
> >>>> Hello, All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks so much for your active participation on today's
> >>>> Privacy/Proxy
> >>>> IRT call.
> >>>>
> >>>> The call recording, slides and chat transcript are available on the
> >>>> wiki, https://community.icann.org/display/IRT/12+September+2017. If
> >>>> you couldn't attend, I encourage you to review these, as we covered
> >>>> a
> >>>> lot of ground this week.
> >>>>
> >>>> In summary, with respect to data escrow, IRT members on the call
> >>>> said
> >>>> that in drafting the specification, we should keep the proposed
> >>>> requirements as open as possible and not attempt to create
> >>>> restrictions with respect to various types of
> >>>> provider/registrar/affiliate relationships. With respect to the
> >>>> accreditation application process, initial input from many IRT
> >>>> members
> >>>> was that the process may need to be simplified. With respect to
> >>>> accreditation criteria, some IRT members said that we are still
> >>>> requiring too much for affiliated providers; other IRT members said
> >>>> we
> >>>> may have cut too much for affiliated providers. WE NEED AS MUCH
> >>>> FEEDBACK ON THIS TOPIC AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN THAT THE VIEWS AMONG IRT
> >>>> MEMBERS APPEAR TO BE QUITE MIXED. WE WILL CONTINUE DISCUSSING THIS
> >>>> TOPIC NEXT WEEK.
> >>>>
> >>>> IRT ACTION ITEMS
> >>>>
> >>>> Please provide any further input you have on the topics discussed on
> >>>> today's call, including (a) the data escrow questions presented by
> >>>> Francisco Arias, (b) the "initial application window" process and
> >>>> (c)
> >>>> the proposed affiliate categories for accreditation processing
> >>>> purposes, NO LATER THAN NEXT MONDAY, 18 SEPTEMBER. Also, please
> >>>> continue reviewing the PPAA draft v1 and send any additional topics
> >>>> that you would like to discuss to the list (we have several topics
> >>>> to
> >>>> revisit, but once we reach the end of the list, we will move on if
> >>>> no
> >>>> other topics are raised).
> >>>>
> >>>> Next week, we will continue discussing the second draft of the
> >>>> applicant guide, including any feedback you have on the topics
> >>>> discussed this week, plus the application questions and fees
> >>>> proposal.
> >>>> To aid this discussion, I am attaching an editable word version of
> >>>> the
> >>>> document, which Volker requested, so that proposed edits can be
> >>>> marked
> >>>> on the document. Please mark any proposed edits in track changes
> >>>> mode--this is how we will identify proposed changes to discuss with
> >>>> the group.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have questions or comments, please don't hesitate to reply to
> >>>> the list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Amy
> >>>>
> >>>> AMY E. BIVINS
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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