[Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] PP services for gated access data
Metalitz, Steven
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Wed Sep 5 18:44:50 UTC 2018
My main problem with Peter’s proposal is that it rests on assumptions about what will be the ultimate outcome of the ePDP. It would be irresponsible to rely upon such assumptions (which are clearly premature) in fashioning the implementation rules for a consensus policy adopted by the community as the output of a multi-stakeholder process. It would be even less justified to rely upon such premature assumptions as an excuse for “pausing” our work when it is so near to completion and when completion is so long overdue.
Steve Metalitz
From: Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl <gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces at icann.org> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
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Subject: Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] PP services for gated access data
This seems highly impractical, as a service provider would suddenly have to monitor what happens to a domain name whois after the fact. And why shouldn't there be an additional layer of privacy for those that legitimately need or want it? Maybe the data just is not public because the registry is redacting it, but the registrant does not trust the registry operator with his data?
Aside from the fact that this is a policy question that does not belong into the IRT but into the PDP proper, I do not support the proposed addition on its merits either.
Volker
Am 30.08.2018 um 19:28 schrieb Roman, Peter (CRM):
All –
Just to continue the smaller discussion from today’s call:
Putting aside the existential question of whether the business case for privacy/proxy makes sense following the implementation of the GDPR, and assuming that:
1) privacy/proxy providers will continue to do business and
2) the EPDP is going to reach a solution that will give IP rights holders, cybersecurity researchers, law enforcement, and other vetted people access to the registrant data that is not publicly available;
I propose that the IRT consider that, since the second tier of WHOIS data would only be available to vetted, accredited law enforcement, cybersecurity, IP rights holders, etc. that have represented that they have a legitimate purpose for accessing the data, and since that data is merely subscriber data (which under the Council of Europe’s CyberCrime Convention, and numerous other legal regimes as well, is deserving of the lowest level of privacy protection), and therefore no legitimate purpose is served by further hindering access to such data, the IRT should add the following language to the draft PPAA:
3.5.7 Provider shall not provide Services for Customers whose data is non-public.
Or
3.5.7 Provider shall not provide Services for Customers whose data is only accessible through gated access in the RDDS system and is not publicly available through WHOIS.
Thanks,
Peter Roman
Senior Counsel
Computer Crime & Intellectual Property Section
Criminal Division
Department of Justice
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Subject: Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Materials for tomorrow's PP IRT meeting are attached
Agreed on the moving target part. Not too mention another moving target that will render most of our work right down into the trash if it happens.
http://domainincite.com/23371-could-a-new-us-law-make-gdpr-irrelevant<http://domainincite.com/23371-could-a-new-us-law-make-gdpr-irrelevant>
This draft seems to be in direct conflict with some of the WG's recommendations; https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.internetgovernance.org/wp-content/uploads/Draft-WHOIS-Legislation-as-of-Aug-16-2018.pdf<https://via.hypothes.is/https:/www.internetgovernance.org/wp-content/uploads/Draft-WHOIS-Legislation-as-of-Aug-16-2018.pdf>
Thanks,
Theo
On 30-8-2018 7:55, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
I won’t be able to attend as I’m at an event.
I also agree with the concerns raised by others about pegging *anything* to a moving target, which the Temp Spec is
TLDR – it’s not policy – it’s a stopgap. Baking it into anything else is a really bad idea
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Michele
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Date: Wednesday 29 August 2018 at 16:22
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Subject: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Materials for tomorrow's PP IRT meeting are attached
Dear Colleagues,
This is a reminder that the PP IRT will meet tomorrow, Thursday, 30 August, at 1600 UTC.
A draft markup of the PPAA is attached. This markup is for discussion purposes only—it is not a final proposal and remains subject to revision. The draft is being circulated, without further delay, to continue the conversation. It has not been approved by senior management and is for discussion only.
We would like to begin discussing the following topics tomorrow (but please feel free to comment before then on the list):
(1) Some suggested edits track what’s in the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data. For example, section 3.5.3.3<http://3.5.3.3>. How should we approach drafting provisions modeled on the Temp Spec, given that its language is subject to change in the near future?
(2) The disclosure frameworks seem to be written from the position that there’s no discretion for the Provider to not provide the underlying customer data if the conditions in the framework are met. Is this the intent? This could potentially cause issues under the GDPR, because this doesn’t seem to leave room to balance the interests of the data subjects with the legitimate interest of the parties requesting personal data.
(3) The disclosure frameworks raise additional GDPR-related questions that are similar to questions raised in the Draft Framework Elements of a Potential Unified Access Model<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/framework-elements-unified-access-model-for-discussion-20aug18-en.pdf> paper published by ICANN org. For example, what would the requirements be for logging requests for disclosure made under the frameworks (or even requests not governed by the frameworks)?
(4) Do you see any other issues that you believe must be addressed related to GDPR that were not addressed in this markup?
(5) Following the completion of the IRT’s review of this draft accreditation agreement and related matters, we believe are ready to proceed to public comment. Do you believe there is any reason why the IRT should not proceed to public comment?
(6) We have heard questions from various members of the community about how the proposed accreditation program requirements will operate within the current Temp Spec RDDS environment. These proposed program requirements do not address how PP registrations interact with a gated access model or how they might be impacted, if at all, by the results of the EPDP. Is this an issue that the IRT believes should be explored at this stage? If any member of the IRT wishes to raise any comments or points about this topic, you are encouraged to do so during the IRT call or via the list.
One area that may need further attention in the agreement is specifically defining what data is to be collected and for what purpose. In addition, the new Specification 8 contains some data processing requirements, but additional discussion is needed on the appropriate controller arrangements that are needed between ICANN, the registrar and the Provider.
Best,
Amy
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