[GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Purpose

Fri Nov 5 15:50:37 UTC 2021

Hi Steve,

I am saying that the EPDP has discussed and deliberated and finally decided
upon the purposes of the RDS. The respective recommendations were approved
by the GNSO and the board. This book is closed, the work is done. To do
anything else is to relitigate the EPDP and if we start doing that, we will
not be done in a year.

As far as I am concerned, the purposes of RDS are set in stone, have come
down the mountain, and no tablet has been dropped.

I also still think that the second question is framed wrong. There are
validation requirements already that can be measured for their sufficience
to support the purpose. Before we invent any new ones, we must first
determine if the existing ones are fit for purpose. The result may be that
they are.

The question in your note regarding the failure of the registrant to
respond is actually moot since the purpose of contactability has been
achieved once the message has reached the registrant. It is his/her/its
prerogative to ignore the request or not. There is no duty to respond.

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On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 4:23 PM Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:

> Volker,
>
> It seems to me there has to be a balance between discipline and
> awareness.  You're saying as a matter of discipline, we need to accept the
> stated purposes as given and not wander off course.  That's good general
> advice.  On the other hand, even as we all focus on the work at hand, we're
> all aware of the overall goal of making this system workable and useful.
> It's entirely normal for people working on the details of a system design
> to raise questions that are outside the bounds of the given task.  There
> has to be a place to articulate those questions.  I'm not suggesting the
> charter of this group needs to be changed or that we should exceed our
> charter.  But I am suggesting that if such questions arise, there has to be
> a place for noting them and routing them to the appropriate forum.
>
> Per my prior note, the above paragraph applies to question 1, "What are
> the intended purposes?"  Question 2, however, "Will the
> validation requirements be sufficient to support the purposes?" is very
> much within the scope of this group.
>
> Attached is a short note that speaks to this.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:43 AM Volker Greimann <
> volker.greimann at centralnic.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Melina,
>>
>> it is not just that we are not supposed to alter them, we may not even
>> suggest changes. This renders any discussions of the merits of these
>> purposes moot. Our work is limited to these purposes, anything else would
>> be a relitigation of the EPDP.
>>
>> --
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> General Counsel and Policy Manager
>> *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH*
>>
>> T: +49 6894 9396901
>> M: +49 6894 9396851
>> F: +49 6894 9396851
>> W: www.key-systems.net
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
>> Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835
>> CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner
>>
>> Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in
>> England and Wales with company number 8576358.
>>
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>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM STROUNGI Melina <
>> Melina.STROUNGI at ec.europa.eu> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed these are distinct questions; just to add to what Steve and
>>> Volker said below that, regarding question 1, indeed one of the GNSO
>>> instructions is to ‘take into account’ the EPDP recommendations and
>>> purposes reminding us that we cannot alter these purposes since this is a
>>> scoping effort and not a PDP; I don’t believe anyone disagrees with that.
>>>
>>> However, since this is indeed a scoping and fact finding exercise, GNSO
>>> instructions neither prescribe nor imply in any way that we should limit
>>> our work to only these purposes. They simply stipulate that we should take
>>> them into account.
>>>
>>> I believe it will be interesting to find all accuracy / registration
>>> data related purposes that are currently listed in the resources we have
>>> available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Melina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* GNSO-Accuracy-ST <gnso-accuracy-st-bounces at icann.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Crocker
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 5, 2021 1:41 PM
>>> *To:* Volker Greimann <volker.greimann at centralnic.com>
>>> *Cc:* gnso-accuracy-st at icann.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Purpose
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Volker,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are two distinct questions related to purposes.
>>>
>>>    1. What are the intended purposes?
>>>    2. Will the validation requirements be sufficient to support the
>>>    purposes?
>>>
>>> I don't have any problem with using the EPDP-identified purposes to
>>> answer the first question.  The question that I believe is within scope for
>>> the scoping of accuracy work is the second question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 5:36 AM Volker Greimann <
>>> volker.greimann at centralnic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> during the last call, Steve asked about the purpose for the data, but I
>>> do not think that defining should concern for even a second of our work as
>>> the council was explicit in their instructions to that regard:
>>>
>>> "In carrying out its work above, *the Scoping Team is expected to take
>>> into account* the policy recommendations from the EPDP on gTLD
>>> Registration Data (EPDP) Team that have been adopted by the GNSO Council
>>> and the ICANN Board, including* the EPDP-identified purposes* and the
>>> related data processing activities. However, the scoping team *is not
>>> tasked to review these purposes or suggest changes*. If the scoping
>>> team finds that further review of these purposes is necessary, especially
>>> in the context of implementation and enforcement of existing requirements,
>>> it will identify this as an area of further work in its recommendations. "
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So let's just copy/paste the purposes as defined by the EPDP and be done
>>> with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Volker A. Greimann
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