<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Mike,</div><div><br></div><div>while I appreciate the effort to save us all some time by doing as much in parallel as possible, we should first and foremost be following our instructions. Depending on the outcomes of our deliberations on topics 1 and 2, the basis for our discussions of topics 3 and 4 might change, rendering any previously undertaken work moot.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-US">-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: </span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">www.key-systems.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br></span><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.</span></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 7:35 PM Michael Palage <<a href="mailto:michael@palage.com">michael@palage.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Roger,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So this is definitely a topic for discussion for Tuesday. So allow me to<br>
share my current best thinking on the matter, although it will obviously be<br>
up to the entire Working Group to decide how we proceed. So I agree<br>
logically that we cannot undertake an “Effectiveness” and an “Impact and<br>
Improvement” analysis until we have principally completed the work in Tasks<br>
#1 and #2. However, I believe there is some preparatory work that can be<br>
undertaken in connection with Tasks #3 and #4. Allow me to offer one such<br>
example I was discussing with our ICANN Org colleagues today. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There is a specific reference in the original ICANN Org briefing material<br>
regarding the ARS which states in relevant part “ICANN org believes that it<br>
may be beneficial to commission a study, with input and agreement from the<br>
community, on how accuracy of registration data might be measured.” As you<br>
may recall during my direct engagement with the RrSG, one of your colleagues<br>
suggested some potential alternative survey options. So this got me<br>
thinking about how the funds for such a survey/study would be allocated. I<br>
went back through ICANN’s old budgeting documents and found that ICANN was<br>
allocating over 300K a year on both ARS surveys.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Therefore, I believe it would be prudent as Chair to undertake steps to<br>
raise with ICANN Org via the GNSO Council the need to potentially allocate<br>
funds for this survey/study based on historical data points. To be clear,<br>
until we have completed Tasks #1 & #2 it will not be possible to provide a<br>
specific price, however, I do feel it would be prudent to inform ICANN of<br>
these potential expenses so funds could be made available in a timely<br>
fashion.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Now while I respect your potential black letter interpretation of the phrase<br>
“it is the expectation that the Scoping Team will first address items 1 and<br>
2 and only once those are completed it will commence work on items 3 and 4”<br>
that same document in the Timing and Timeline section also says “although it<br>
is understood that for the later assignments it may not be possible to<br>
provide specific details until earlier assignments are complete or underway.<br>
There might be efficiencies and overlap across tasks so that the work can be<br>
completed in a year.”<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So considering the totality of the information currently before me, I<br>
believe that our primary focus as you stated in your email needs to be Task<br>
#1 and #2, and that there should be no substantive analysis of Task #3 and<br>
#4 until Task #1 and #2 are near completion. That being said, I do believe<br>
it is appropriate under the timeline set forth by the Council to begin<br>
preparatory work on Task #3 and #4 consistent with my original statements<br>
regarding an “agile” versus a traditional “waterfall” project management<br>
approach. If the Working Group decides to go in a different direction, I<br>
will respect their decision. If there is an impasse we will collectively<br>
cross that bridge when we get there.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hopefully you found this helpful.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: GNSO-Accuracy-ST <<a href="mailto:gnso-accuracy-st-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-accuracy-st-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of<br>
Roger D Carney via GNSO-Accuracy-ST<br>
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:12 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-accuracy-st@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-accuracy-st@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Reminder homework assignment & proposed<br>
Agenda for Meeting #2 Registration Data Accuracy Scoping Team<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Good Morning,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In working through the homework assignments, the RrSG would like clarity on<br>
assignments 3 and 4. As noted by Council and directly taken from our Wiki<br>
workspace "...For clarity, it is the expectation that the Scoping Team will<br>
first address items 1 and 2 and only once those are completed it will<br>
commence work on items 3 and 4...". <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
>From the instructions, it appears that we are to complete items 1 and 2<br>
before working on 3 and 4. With that in mind, the RrSG will hold off on<br>
doing homework assignments 3 and 4 unless of course there is a<br>
misunderstanding or there are reasons why we are not following these<br>
instructions.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Roger<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_____ <br>
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Subject: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Reminder homework assignment & proposed Agenda<br>
for Meeting #2 Registration Data Accuracy Scoping Team <br>
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Dear All,<br>
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<br>
<br>
Please find below the proposed agenda for the next meeting of the<br>
Registration Data Accuracy Scoping Team which is scheduled for Tuesday 12<br>
October at 14.00 UTC. Note that this is intended to be a running agenda for<br>
the next couple of meetings – items not covered will carry over to the next<br>
meeting. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As a reminder, please respond to the questions identified in the assignment<br>
background briefings as soon as possible, but no later than Monday 11<br>
October:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
* Assignment #1 -<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/16mFQkzM4tTj84736J-tlZ8T7tFeiFwfx/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/16mFQkzM4tTj84736J-tlZ8T7tFeiFwfx/edit</a><br>
[<a href="http://docs.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">docs.google.com</a>]<br>
<br>
* Assignment #2 -<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OyzzAjZgvNkfZ5EekUvJ7PQg80vNZvJ3/edit%5Bdo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OyzzAjZgvNkfZ5EekUvJ7PQg80vNZvJ3/edit[do</a><br>
<a href="http://cs.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cs.google.com</a>]<br>
<br>
* Assignment #3 -<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NiwMk6qHOQRn7VdcW0Paj5OoC3tWAQpm/edit%5Bdo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NiwMk6qHOQRn7VdcW0Paj5OoC3tWAQpm/edit[do</a><br>
<a href="http://cs.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cs.google.com</a>]<br>
<br>
* Assignment #4 -<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8t-uH4gRqXytHOGnIkZ2qMSJctgR_kD/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8t-uH4gRqXytHOGnIkZ2qMSJctgR_kD/edit</a><br>
[<a href="http://docs.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">docs.google.com</a>]<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Caitlin, Berry and Marika<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Registration Data Accuracy Scoping Team – Meeting #2<br>
<br>
Tuesday 12 October at 14.00 UTC<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Welcome & Chair Updates (10 minutes) <br>
<br>
a. Results of doodle poll & schedule of meetings going forward<br>
b. Miscellaneous administrative issues<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2. Background briefing assignment #1 - see<br>
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<br>
a. Review assignment #1<br>
b. Consider questions and team input received:<br>
<br>
* What information is missing from the list of existing accuracy<br>
obligations?<br>
<br>
* What follow up questions are there in relation to the information<br>
that has been provided on the measures used by ICANN Compliance to monitor,<br>
measure, enforce and report on the accuracy obligations?<br>
<br>
* In relation to the materials provided concerning definitions, are<br>
there references sources missing?<br>
<br>
* What working definition should be used and why? <br>
<br>
a. What next steps and approach should the team take to address this<br>
assignment? <br>
b. Confirm next steps<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
3. Background briefing assignment #2 – see<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.c" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.c</a>om/document/d/1OyzzAjZgvNkfZ5EekUvJ7PQg80vNZvJ3/edit<br>
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<br>
a. Review assignment #2<br>
b. Consider questions and team input received: <br>
<br>
* What information, if any, is missing to support the team’s deliberations<br>
on recommendations for how accuracy levels can be determined and measured?<br>
<br>
* What approach should the team take to develop these recommendations?<br>
<br>
* What information, if any, is missing to support the team’s deliberations<br>
on whether ARS needs a revamp or whether there are other ways in which<br>
accuracy levels can/should be measured?<br>
<br>
* What approach should the team take to develop these recommendations?<br>
<br>
* How much time and resources are expected to be needed to either revamp<br>
ARS or implement other ways in which accuracy levels can/should be measured?<br>
<br>
c. Confirm next steps<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
4. Background briefing assignment #3 – see<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/</a>d/1NiwMk6qHOQRn7VdcW0Paj5OoC3tWAQpm/edit<br>
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<br>
a. Review assignment #3<br>
b. Consider questions and team input received: <br>
<br>
* What is necessary to undertake such an analysis?<br>
<br>
* What is the definition of “effective”?<br>
<br>
* How are “accurate and reliable” to be interpreted (see also assignment<br>
#1 re. working definitions)?<br>
<br>
c. What next steps and approach should the team take to address this<br>
assignment? <br>
d. Confirm next steps<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
5. Background briefing assignment #4 - see<br>
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<br>
a. Review assignment #4<br>
b. Consider questions and team input received: <br>
<br>
* When & how are estimates of benefits and costs expected to be developed?<br>
<br>
* In addition to outcome of assignment #1-3 and cost/benefit analysis, is<br>
there anything further that is needed for the scoping team to deliberate on<br>
whether any changes are needed to improve accuracy levels? <br>
<br>
* Based on response to previous question, what are the options the team<br>
can consider for how and by whom these changes would need to be developed? <br>
<br>
c. What next steps and approach should the team take to address this<br>
assignment? <br>
d. Confirm next steps<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
6. Confirm action items & next meeting (TBC based on responses to<br>
doodle poll - <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/2p7fpqf4hrmg6si8?utm_source=poll" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doodle.com/poll/2p7fpqf4hrmg6si8?utm_source=poll</a><br>
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