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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Agree with Susan and Desiree – let’s wrap this up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Talk to (most of) you soon!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Marie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> GNSO-CCOICI <gnso-ccoici-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Desiree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19, 2023 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Payne <susan.payne@comlaude.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-ccoici@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-CCOICI] Reminder - please review and socialise updated exemption language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apologies for belated feedback - I was prevented from participating yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The suggested text meets<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">seems very reasonable to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 18 Jul 2023, at 23:07, Susan Payne <<a href="mailto:susan.payne@comlaude.com">susan.payne@comlaude.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As mentioned, I am unable to attend the meeting tomorrow. I shared the proposed language with the IPC and have had no objections. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> GNSO-CCOICI <<a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ccoici-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2023 12:14:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici@icann.org">gnso-ccoici@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici@icann.org">gnso-ccoici@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-CCOICI] Reminder - please review and socialise updated exemption language</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">A reminder to please review the updated language on page 8 that was developed following input from the RySG. For your convenience you find it reproduced here (in red the sentence that has been added):</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Are you participating in the GNSO policy process as a representative of any individual or entity, whether paid or unpaid? The term “representative” in this context means that you are acting
on behalf of a third party, whether it is a legal or a natural person (the ‘Represented Party’) by whom you have been appointed, specifically for this activity or to a role that encompasses this activity, to represented and/or advocate for the Represented
Party’s interests, views and positions. </span></i><span lang="en-BE" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt"><i><span lang="en-BE" style="color:black">If the answer is “Yes,” please provide the name of the represented individual or entity. (If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information,
you must provide details on which ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing and must provide a high level description of the entity that you are representing without disclosing its name as well as declare whether, to the best of your knowledge, that
entity is actively participating or being represented in other GNSO SG/Cs/SO/Acs,, for example “I represent a Registry client who is also actively participating in the RySG”, “I am representing a governmental entity, who is also actively participating in the
GAC” or “I represent a large brand holder in the entertainment sector who, to the best of my knowledge, is not actively participating or being represented in other ICANN groups”.
</span></i><i><span lang="en-BE" style="color:red">If you are not able to provide these details or high-level description, you are assumed to participate on your own behalf or on behalf of the entity you listed as your current employer)</span></i><i><span lang="en-BE" style="color:black">.</span></i><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="en-BE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please share your group’s feedback no later than the meeting that has been scheduled for 19 July.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Julie and Marika</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GNSO-CCOICI <<a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ccoici-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 6 July 2023 at 15:10<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici@icann.org">gnso-ccoici@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ccoici@icann.org">gnso-ccoici@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GNSO-CCOICI] Action Items and Notes | CCOICI Meeting | Thursday 06 July at 1200 UTC</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear CCOICI members,</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s CCOICI meeting on Thursday, 06 July at 1200 UTC. Please see the relevant materials which can be found on the wiki page:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DRR1Cw">https://community.icann.org/x/DRR1Cw</a>.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Julie and Marika</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">HOMEWORK/ACTION ITEMS:</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2"><b><span lang="EN-US">Staff to update the report to 1) delete the language about not participating in consensus calls (page 6); and 2) to insert the new language about only representing
yourself/employer (page 8) – DONE: See attached.</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2"><b><span lang="EN-US">CCOICI members to review pages 6 and 8 of the revised report (attached) and provide feedback to the group on the list not later than the meeting on 19 July.</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Notes:</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">1. Welcome</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">2. Feedback from SG/Cs on compromise proposal</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Sebastien: RySG is not willing to budge. Chris Disspain’s view also was to counter the two assertions: 1) that by demanding transparency we would be limiting people
from joining – we aren’t asking lawyers to disclose their clients as such, people can still participate as themselves (in their own name); more targeting an insider who is represented by several people in the room. In the specific case of new applicants not
wanting to disclose their own name, that is an edge case and we shouldn’t be building policy on it.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: If RySG isn’t willing to budge that means going back to the status quo?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: We would like that removed – so no option to say “private”.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: So they are representing themselves. Is it possible to put this into text?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: Can share the spirit of our proposal in a suggested text.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: What do others think?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Marie, BC: Can’t really comment until I’ve seen it written down. The BC has tried to seek compromise. Looking at the stats the entire use of the exemption is
an edge case. Confused how this would work in practice, but it seems like you wouldn’t have to disclose your client at all.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: Edge case was new applicants not disclosing. The other issue is if we ask people to speak in their own capacity then you can’t be changing positions.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Susan, IPC: Seems that this takes us back to the status quo. Don’t see how this delivers more transparency. Don’t see how this is better than the compromise.
</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Marika, staff: I think in the text, it would look something like this: “If the answer is “Yes,” please provide the name of the represented individual or entity.
(If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information, you are assumed to participate on your own behalf or on behalf of the entity you listed as your current employer).” We can incorporate the text in the report.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: We could still keep the whole request for disclosure and then add this text.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Marika, staff: You would still ask them to describe and if they don’t then they are participating on behalf of yourself and your employer.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Desiree, NomCom: How would we track if someone keeps changing his or her position?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Marie, BC: Also a bit confused as to the idea if you're there for the mythical big player you'd change your mind in every meeting - wouldn't you in fact be more
likely to be solid in your line then?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: Imagine a big player – if they don’t want to disclose then their position would have to be their own/employer – not whom they represent.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: We can share this text with our groups since we are missing some people today.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Marika, staff: Would we keep in the language about people not participating in consensus calls if they don’t disclose?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: We wouldn’t include it – hard to say who would make that ruling and what would be the guidelines?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju, NCSG/Chair: Confirm that you would delete the language about not participating in consensus calls?</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Seb, RySG: For the registries, yes.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Manju: We still have to go back to our groups to consider – perhaps for two weeks. We’ll schedule on the 19<sup>th</sup> of July at the same time.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">3. Next Steps</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">Schedule a call for Wednesday, 19 July at 1200 UTC.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">After the CCOICI finishes this work since this was a pilot project the Council will ask the CCOICI how the work can be improved.</span><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">ACTION ITEMS:</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5"><b><span lang="EN-US">Staff to update the report to 1) delete the language about not participating in consensus calls (page 6); and 2) to insert the new language about only representing
yourself/employer (page 8) – DONE: See attached.</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5"><b><span lang="EN-US">CCOICI members to review pages 6 and 8 of the revised report (attached) and provide feedback to the group on the list not later than the meeting on 19 July.</span></b><span lang="en-BE"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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