[Gnso-epdp-idn-team] Sent: Draft Outreach Letter to SO/AC/SG/Cs

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at dcms.gov.uk
Wed Sep 29 13:23:53 UTC 2021


Emily

Good afternoon, I did make some edits on the Google Document yesterday;

best

Nigel

On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 14:04, Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
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> Seeing no comments or proposed edits, staff has sent out the outreach
> letters with a deadline for responses of 10 November 2021. You can find
> copies of the outreach letters here: https://community.icann.org/x/0gaHCg.
> As responses are received, they will also be posted to this page.
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> Kind regards,
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> Steve, Marika, and Emily
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> *From: *Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 28 September 2021 at 14:09
> *To: *"gnso-epdp-idn-team at icann.org" <gnso-epdp-idn-team at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Deadline Today - Comments on Draft Outreach Letter to
> SO/AC/SG/Cs
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> Dear all,
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> As a reminder, today is the deadline to suggest edits to the draft
> outreach letter to SO/AC/SG/Cs requesting early written input on the
> charter topics. *If you have any input please share it on the mailing
> list no later than 23:59 UTC.*
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> If no comments or concerns are received, the letter will be sent out to
> the community leaders tomorrow.
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> Best regards,
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> Steve, Marika, and Emily
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> *From: *Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 16:55
> *To: *"gnso-epdp-idn-team at icann.org" <gnso-epdp-idn-team at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Notes and action items - IDNs EPDP Meeting #7 - 23 September
> 2021
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> Dear all,
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> Please find below the notes and action items from today’s meeting on Thursday
> 23 September 2021 at 13:00 UTC.
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> Attached, please find the draft outreach letter to SO/AC/SG/Cs requesting
> early written input on the charter topics. *Please share any
> concerns/suggested edits on the mailing list no later than Tuesday 28
> September at 23:59 UTC.*
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> Best regards,
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> Steve, Marika, and Emily
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> *Action Item #1*: Working Group members to review the draft outreach
> letter to SO/AC/SG/Cs and provide any concerns/suggested edits on the
> mailing list no later than Tuesday 28 September at 23:59 UTC.
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> *Action Item #2*: WG to come up with questions to be covered in the
> upcoming prep session on RZ-LGR.
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> *Action item #3*: For those that have not done so yet, please review all
> the introductory materials and sign off via the google sheet (see https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfbXhd2L4oAb_Cn22FnjkSoDSj0K-HNcijDZDW_zpvseqXH8A/viewform
> [docs.google.com]
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> *Notes – IDNs EPDP Call – 23 September 2021*
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> *Welcome & Chair Updates*
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>    - The group will put out a request for written early input to
>    SO/AC/SG/Cs. Staff will send a draft of the letter to the WG for review
>    after this call. WG members should respond on list if they have any
>    concerns/suggested edits.
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> *Action Item #1*: Working Group members to review the draft outreach
> letter to SO/AC/SG/Cs and provide any concerns/suggested edits on the
> mailing list no later than Tuesday 28 September at 23:59 UTC.
>
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>    - Policy support staff and the org IDN team met to discuss the data
>    and metrics listed in the charter. Some additional clarifications are
>    needed. An update will be provided soon on the timeline for delivering
>    metrics. We will keep moving forward and can put items on hold if they are
>    dependent on the delivery of these metrics.
>    - Donna Austin will be confirmed by Council as the new Chair of the
>    EPDP during today’s GNSO Council meeting – see consent agenda.
>    - Edmon, Donna, and Farrell will be working with ICANN policy support
>    on the logistics of the leadership transition for the EPDP.
>
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> *Continue deliberations on Topic A: Consistent definition and technical
> utilization of RZ-LGR*
>
>    - Charter question a3 focuses on a scenario where an applied for
>    variant is found during evaluation to be invalid. If the applicant wants to
>    challenge the process, how would this work? Should the SubPro-recommended
>    challenge process apply for this use case?
>    - Question: Is there any issue that has been raised by the challenge
>    process to date?
>    - Response: The SubPro challenge process has been recommended for the
>    next round but it has not been used before. The process was created because
>    in the last round any time there was a dispute in the evaluation process,
>    there was no challenge mechanism to address the dispute. Instead, some
>    parties opted to initiate reconsideration requests, which were not intended
>    for this purpose. This process did not look at the merits, but only looked
>    at whether staff violated the Bylaws. The SubPro WG felt that these types
>    of issues should not go to the Board. If a party disagrees with the outcome
>    of an evaluation, there should be a process to challenge the decision of
>    the evaluator. SubPro recommended having this challenge for all
>    evaluations, with the exception of IDNs, because SubPro felt that the IDN
>    EPDP should address this particular use case.
>    - Because this process is automated it might involve challenging
>    RZ-LGR. How would this fit in?
>    - We are not talking about applying the RZ-LGR in a vacuum. We are
>    considering a use case in the context of the application process, where
>    multiple applicants are applying in an application window. The RZ-LGR is an
>    automated tool, but the process also involves ancillary processes that
>    could determine that a string is invalid, because it doesn’t conform to the
>    rules -- either code points are invalid, or other rules, for example where
>    strings are put into a contention set. Those ancillary processes might be
>    elements that parties want to challenge.  The multiple connected evaluation
>    elements may create additional complexity.
>    - Are we talking about challenging about applications for IDNs? IDN
>    variants? Or both? The evaluation of an IDN involves comparing an
>    application to a pre-set checklist. If it doesn’t meet the criteria, it is
>    not allowed to proceed. The evaluation entity is ICANN org. If we are
>    talking about IDN variants being confusingly similar, then we are talking
>    about the string similarity panel. In this case, a challenge might make
>    sense, but data would be helpful about the frequency that a challenge could
>    have arisen in the 2012 round.
>    - Agree that there are two different scenarios: 1. the variant set is
>    creating a conflict with another variant set and 2. it creates a confusing
>    similarity issue with another TLD. These are related but separate issues.
>    - If any of those challenges require an update to RZ-LGR, the update
>    process is already defined by the RZ-LGR process which involves the
>    relevant panel. It includes a public comment process. Creating a process
>    outside of this could be detrimental to the RZ-LGR itself.
>    - Suggestion: Take this question to a higher level. There is going to
>    be an evaluation. If the result of the evaluation is something that the
>    applicant believes is wrong, it should have a right to challenge.
>    Regardless of whether this happened or not in the past, the applicant
>    should have a right to challenge. The next question in the charter
>    addresses the different scenarios and how they should be handled. The
>    details should be handled in implementation.
>    - We may face a situation where the IDN or variants can be challenged.
>    In each case where the applicant prevails, they will need to freeze all
>    applications within the same IDN or variants because there could be a
>    change to the RZ-LGR or related-guidance and it could be applicable to all
>    similar applications. It might also be relevant to applicants in the same
>    round who already passed that stage of the application process. The changes
>    resulting from any decisions related to challenges need to be implemented
>    fast.
>    - There are different categories of contention. In one, a TLD being
>    applied for that confusingly similar to an existing TLD. With IDNs, it then
>    needs to be determined if the applied-for string is similar to something
>    that already exists in the context of the text itself and what it means in
>    that specific language or script, and then also evaluated based on the
>    variant rules: Is the makeup of the string potentially confusing with
>    something that already exists.
>    - Key question in a3: The RZ-LGR is only used for the technical
>    validation of the string. Perhaps we should leave everything else, for
>    example related to contention sets, to another process. We should focus on
>    the case where the applicant disagrees with the determination related to
>    technical validation.
>    - Question: if two applicants apply for strings that are variants of
>    one another, which one would be considered the variant? Who would get to
>    move forward?
>    - Response: They would be put into a content set.
>    - Before a string exists, both strings are variants of one another. If
>    one string already exists and another is applied for that cannot be
>    considered unique to an existing TLD, that new application is considered a
>    variant.
>    - The only thing that we are considering as variants are generated by
>    the RZ-LGR.
>    - If there is an application that goes through the automated process,
>    the process looks to see if the application is a variant of an existing
>    string. If it is, it gets denied. If two applications are variants of one
>    another, they go into a contention set. There is no main one and variant in
>    these cases.
>    - Staff produced a document to illustrate potential scenarios for a
>    challenge:
>    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m2OKyXsHa9pfyBz2u44UTTSYjAbuxe_FHCsK9LUKPVI/edit#gid=0
>    . Potential scenarios: 1. Applied-for gTLD is found to be invalid 2.
>    Applied-for variant TLD is found to not be an allocatable variant. 3. A
>    string is found to not be a blocked variant.
>    - Purpose is to separate out this automated process from all of the
>    other evaluation elements that might be impacted by variants.
>    - Question: In the context of a next round, is the definition of
>    variant the same? If an applicant applies for two strings that are
>    variants, does that have to go through the RZ-LGR process before the
>    applicant applies?
>    - This is covered under charter question a4, but this can be discussed
>    to some extent in combination with a3. It is possible for the applicant to
>    run this through the RZ-LGR before applying, but there is also potentially
>    the opportunity to raise a challenge.
>    - Comment: The difference between valid and invalid strings is not
>    clear. We need a clear and common understanding of the definition to use as
>    a point of reference. It should be easily understood by a non-technical
>    audience.
>    - ALAC reps have some questions about the RZ-LGR process and would
>    like to have an info session on this topic.
>    - ICANN org is already organizing a session during prep week for
>    ICANN72, and integration panels are coming in to explain how RZ-LGR and how
>    it should be used. This is tentatively scheduled for 14 October. Org can
>    organize any additional sessions on this topic if needed.
>
>
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> *Action Item #2*: WG to come up with questions to be covered in the
> upcoming prep session on RZ-LGR.
>
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