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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please find below the notes from today’s meeting on Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 13:30 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Ariel, Emily, and Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Notes – IDNs EPDP Call – 12 May 2022</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Welcome & Chair Updates<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">For the String Similarity small group, reminder to complete Doodle poll so we can schedule the meeting soon.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">A7 Part 1, A9, A10 – please review. Deadline for input is 20 May.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">For outreach to CJK GPs for single character TLDs in Han, the Chinese and Japanese GPs have replied. Waiting on Korean GP so that replies can be consolidated and reviewed at once.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Note that E2 will also necessarily include discussion of E1, part 2.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Continue discussion of charter question E2<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 6 - Reminder of background/context on objections<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 7 - Reminder of staff paper recommendations and discussion points<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Questions – Must all requested allocatable variant TLD labels be subject to the objection processes?<o:p></o:p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">Note: preliminary conclusion for this EPDP Team is that there is a single application, with requested variants included.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Should the allocatable variant labels NOT requested by applicants be subject to the objection process?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Confirmed – the basis, ground, of objections are not to be touched. Only considering impact of variant labels (requested allocatable and not requested allocatable). This question seems
similar to what is being discussed for String Sim (e.g., 3 levels). For the second question, it would seem to be the same answer as for String Sim, whatever that ends up being? Perhaps this should be added to the small team’s remit.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">For question 1 – once a variant is delegated, it is treated as any other domain name in the DNS, from a technical perspective. As such, it seems that requested variants should be subject
to the same rigor.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Reminder – objections take place after Initial Eval (including String Sim).<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Some agreement at a principle level. A blocked variant could be identical to a string that a potential future applicant may be interested. This is an argument for allowing blocked variants
to be included in objections.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Depending upon which gTLD is applied for as the primary, it may impact whether the variants are allocatable or blocked. The following example was shared:<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">滙豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> -- special HSBC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">匯豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> -- Traditional Chinese<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"PingFang TC",sans-serif;color:black">汇</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">丰</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> -- Simplified Chinese<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If an applicant applies for TC or SC, the special HSBC one would be blocked and not allocatable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">As an example, if an applicant applied for the traditional Chinese version, if the blocked label is not also included for objection, HSBC may not be able to object to the special HSBC?
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">Question about whether legal rights objection allows for non-exact match, to see if the blocked label could still be objected against, even if it is not an exact match.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">Suggestion to write up the example for consideration representative groups.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action Item: Write up the example in a clear manner (Note: Edmon provided an example in the chat).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If Applied for: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">滙豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> HSBC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">IDN Variants: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">匯豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> TC(allocatable) +
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"PingFang TC",sans-serif;color:black">汇</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">丰</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> SC(allocatable)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If Applied for: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">匯豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> TC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">IDN Variants: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">滙豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> HSBC(blocked) +
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"PingFang TC",sans-serif;color:black">汇</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">丰</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> SC(allocatable)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If Applied for: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"PingFang TC",sans-serif;color:black">汇</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">丰</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">SC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">IDN Variants: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">滙豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> HSBC(blocked) +
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">匯豐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> (allocatable)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6">Response to question about objections: when based on TM rights or for IGOs, identical or similar, to phonetic, appearance, sound, meaning, etc. See section 3.5.2 of the AGB. This is important
to take into consideration in understanding implications.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6">Will consider again whether the String Sim small team should further consider.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo6">Preliminary conclusion: question 1 is yes and question 2 requires more analysis, and possible inclusion with the small team’s work.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Introduction to charter question D2<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 9 – Overview of charter question. Note - Question has an implicit dependency on with D1a – preliminary conclusion for that question was that a primary label and variants should be
subject to a single Registry Agreement.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 10 – Overview of Registry Transition Process, the various types, and how they can be triggered.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 11 – Overview of expectations for Type 1 & Type 2 Registry Transition Process.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Question about whether D2 should also be applicable to allocatable (i.e., not assigned/delegated). If not delegated, there would be no contractual obligations and nothing to transition.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Assumption is that after a change of control, the new RO would be the only party able to apply for non-delegated, allocatable variants. The same-entity principle would seem to apply. There
may be some operational consideration whether a list is actually maintained.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Question about EBERO – can the original operator maintain control? Answer provided in slides later – if the problems are resolved, then there is no change of control.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">EBERO process can be used for cases where a gTLD is purposefully removed from the root. A RO may only want to remove a single variant and that should not necessarily impact the other variants
in the set.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 12, 13 – Overview of EBERO<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Question – what happens if variants are applied for outside of rounds? Staff paper recommends against this.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">For EBERO, the TLD moves to the EBERO provider (e.g., CIRA, CNNIC, etc.), if only a part of the set is moved, then the variants could be operated by a different entity.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">To this point, need to consider what happens when a variant is intentionally removed. It should not force actions to be taken against the strings that are intended to be maintained.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">The treatment of the variant set could be different based on what triggers EBERO (e.g., failure versus intentional retirement).<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action Item – examine what happens for intentional and planned retirement under EBERO, as opposed to emergency action.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 14 – Overview of TM-PDDRP. Important aspect is one specific remedy: termination of RA.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Slide 15 – Overview of SubPro context, Staff Paper context, and questions for discussion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Suggestion – 3 considerations, understand process for addition, removal, transition of variants. And for clarity, the triggering event will be important.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">ccTLD situation is different. If a government no longer supports a language, there are different implications. gTLDs would not be subject to such limitations.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">AOB<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Reminder: review A7 Part 1, A9, A10 – please review. Deadline for input is 20 May.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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