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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Please</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> find below the</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> notes and action
items </span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">from today’s meeting on </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Thursday, 26 July 2022 </span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">at </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">14:00</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> </span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kind regards,</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> </span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Ariel, Steve, and Emily<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">IDNs EPDP Team with ccPDP4 meeting
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Action Item</span></b><span lang="EN-US">: Edmon and Sarmad will seek further input from the Board UA/IDN WG: To what extent are the divergences between the gNSO and ccNSO draft recommendations a concern? If there
is a divergence, but not a conflict, is this an issue? Is the expectation that the groups resolve differences or just highlight them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">High-Level Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 3 – Overview: Goal and focus of this session.<o:p></o:p></span>
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Discuss draft recommendations developed by both groups to understand the similarities and differences<span lang="EN-US">.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 4 – General Comparison of the ccPDP4 and IDN EPDP, including topics in scope, procedure, scope of policy, and implementation.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: There are differences between the way that the two WGs and the Supporting Organizations do their business, but there are overlaps in the subject matter being addressed through the respective E/PDPs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Question for further discussion: How did the ccPDP4 conduct its stress testing?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: Scenarios are developed and consideration is given about the ability to handle that scenario. There may be similarities with what the ODP is doing in the GNSO.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: ccNSO started doing stress testing with the retirement policy. The policy itself is 4-5 pages long. It’s helpful to understand how various outliers play out under the policy. The working group develops scenarios. The WG discusses
how the scenarios would play out under the proposed policy. Could the WG live the with outcome or does there need to be an adjustment to the policy before the recommendations go out for consensus call? The stress test is included in the WG outputs. The stress
test allows you to respond to any questions that later come up in public comment or through other channels.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 5 – RZ-LGR Utilization: Consistent recommendations between the two groups.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: The level of detail may be different between the recommendations from the two groups, but the general principle remains consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 6 – RZ-LGR Utilization: Potential Difference<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: Two areas where there may be divergence are on limiting the number of delegated variants and on “grandfathering” existing TLDs after an RZ-LGR update with which the TLD is not validated.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Question: What does “meaningful representation” mean and how does it play into the ccPDP work?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: This is a basic policy requirement for eligibility for ccTLD strings. The concept was shared with the cc community for validation. In the GNSO case, there may be different considerations, for example brand representation, but for
the cc community, the focus is specific.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: The requirement for a meaningful representation of the territory is analogous to gTLD requirements for special purpose TLDs e.g., brand TLDs or geo TLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: Only one string is delegated per language and must be supported by people who represent the territory and the language. The string should be from a recognized script, usually defined by the government.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: The WG did a case study on what it would mean to have Pakistan with Arabic script and various variants. This was based on the staff study. There are about 1200 variants, including blocked variants. Only 6 or 7 are allocatable, most
of which are not a meaningful representation. This tightly defined concept helps to limit the number of variants that will be in use.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Question: To what extent are the recommendations on the limits at odds? It is not clear that they necessarily are. Is this something the Board would consider a divergence of concern? Is the expectation that we resolve difference or just highlight
them?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: The Board has not taken up discussion on this since Edmon joined the Board. The idea is that the policies from the ccNSO and GNSO do not contradict one another. There is likely understanding that they will not be identical. If contradictory,
there might be an impact on the consistent user experience. Some level of consistency is desired.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: In the case that the ccNSO and GNSO might not have identical recommendations, but we don’t want to be in a situation where they are contradictory.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Action Item</span></b><span lang="EN-US">: Edmon and Sarmad will seek further input from the Board UA/IDN WG: To what extent are the divergences between the gNSO and ccNSO draft recommendations a concern? If there
is a divergence, but not a conflict, is this an issue? Is the expectation that the groups resolve differences or just highlight them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 7 – RZ-LGR Utilization: Additional Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: Recommendations that cover additional topics that do not overlap between the two groups.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 8 – Same Entity at Top-Level: Consistent Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: Consistency in recommendations on allocation of variant TLD to same entity and registry operators and back-end registry service providers for variant TLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 9 – Same Entity at Top-Level: Additional Recommendations<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Overview: Recommendations that cover additional topics.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Both groups have sub-groups working on issues related to confusing similarity. On the issue of whether the two sub-groups should coordinate, it was noted that the IDN EPDP small group will need to bring its outputs to the full EPDP for its
consideration before outputs are considered stable.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Question: EPDP is considering best practice guidelines on the management on variants at the top level. There have been IDN ccTLDs and variants in operation for some time. Is this left to the individual ccTLD or are there some consistent practice
that can be shared on this issue?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Response: There are IDN ccTLDs in traditional and simplified Chinese. They have been allocated to the same IDN ccTLD manager. IDN ccTLD managers participate in the WG, and the WG asks them questions. Records of the deliberations reflect this
input. The Fast Track experience has evolved over time and this evolution takes into account the experience of those who have gone through the process.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 10 – Same Entity at Second-Level<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Sub-Group of ccPDP4 is considering this topic. ccPDP4 will discuss whether allocation of variant SLD to same entity and registration of variant SLD under variant TLD to same entity is within or outside scope. These may not be policy recommendations,
but technical considerations or advice. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">IDN EPDP has had initial discussions and realized that defining the same entity as the registrant is difficult to implement in practice. The EPDP Team is exploring separating out the second level discussion from the top level to provide time
for additional data collection and for the contracted parties to explore this topic further and provide input to the EPDP Team.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Slide 11 – IDN-EPDP Upcoming Work<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span lang="EN-US">Timeline is somewhat in flux, because the EPDP is considering restructuring its work. Regular communication will be maintained between the support staff for the GNSO and ccNSO. If the timeline is adjusted for the IDN EPDP, when the EPDP Team
notifies the GNSO Council, it will also provide this information to the ccPDP4.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Upcoming work for ccPDP4: The Variant Management Sub-Group and Confusing Similarity Sub-Group are wrapping up their work. Stress Test will be conducted, followed by a public comment period, before submitting recommendations. The final recommendations
will likely be submitted in the next 4-6 months.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">Suggestions for further coordination:<o:p></o:p></span>
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