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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Please</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> find below the notes
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">and action items </span>
<span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">from today’s meeting on </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">29 November 2022
</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">at </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">14:00</span><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> UTC.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ariel, Steve, and Emily<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Joint Meeting:
</span></b><b><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ccPDP4 IDN </span>
</b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">and</span></b><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> <b>GNSO
</b></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">IDN
</span></b><b><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">EPDP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">29 November at 14:00 UTC</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">High-Level Notes and Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Welcome to joint meeting</span><o:p></o:p></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Agenda review</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Why joint session?</span><o:p></o:p></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Slide 3: </span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Board asked ccNSO and GNSO to coordinate their policy development efforts with respect to variant management</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">. The respective
 working groups are making progress on work related to v</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ariant
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">m</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">anagement</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> for the
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">confusing similarity validation process (ccPDP4 term)
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">and
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">string similarity review (GNSO EPDP term)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ccNSO Perspective on Confusing Similarity and Variants</span><o:p></o:p></u></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 5:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Scope of ccPDP4 is review, overhaul and completion of 2013 recommendations on the selection of IDN ccTLD strings</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 6:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overhaul 2013 recommendations
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">is
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">needed to align with curent procedures under the Fast Track process (which is on-going)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 7:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overhaul Confusing Similarity Validation: Goal and Criteria</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 8:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overhaul Confusing Similarity Validation: Base of Comparison<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 9:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overhaul Confusing Similarity Validation: Base of Comparison Rationale<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: On the GNSO side, applications for IDNs will be part of the new gTLD application process. These applications will come in as part of standard rounds that also include ASCII
 applications. There may be up to 2000 or more applications in a round. The recommendations seek to provide guidance on processes that will handle such circumstances. How and when will applications be submitted on the cc side?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Response: Once the ccPDP4 completes its work and policy is confirmed, the application process will be kicked off. The timeframe will likely be different from the GNSO timeframe.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">GNSO Perspective </span><o:p></o:p></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 11-12: Background --
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP Team focused its discussion on variants’ role in the String Similarity Review</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">. It considered three
 possible levels of comparison, and then put forward a preliminary recommendation on a “hybrid model.”
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 13: Three Levels of Comparison</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 14-15: Recommendation: Hybrid Model – note that this recommendation has not yet been finalized pending analysis of input from ICANN org on the operational implications of the
 recommended approach.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 16: How Does the Hybrid Model Work: Arabic TLDs Example – this example includes applied-for primary strings, allocatable variants and blocked variants.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 17: How Does the Hybrid Model Work: Arabic TLDs Example – each number represents a comparison that will take place.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 18: Summary: Arabic TLDs Example – demonstrates the potential outcomes of such a set of comparisons.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 19: Rationale for the Hybrid Model – seeks to strike the balance of reducing the total number of comparisons while mitigating the risk of failure modes.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 20: Relevant Background for Consideration of Hybrid Model -- RFC 5891, RFC 6912, SAC 089, Staff Paper.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Misconnection may be more problematic than denial of service and cause more harm to the user beyond confusion and frustration</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Question: ccPDP4 focused on misconnection as the primary problem that needs to be addressed from a security and stability perspective. They
 also looked the “no connection” (denial of service) issue. The ccPDP4 decided that it was not necessary to focus on this, given that it is not necessary to build a process around a potential mistyped or misremembered string. To what extent did the IDN EPDP
 decided to include this as a point of focus?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Response: IDN EPDP also considered the misconnection risk as more prominent and requiring mitigation compared to denial of service. This
 seems consistent with the ccPDP4’s conclusion.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 been expressed. EPDP Team requested input from ICANN org on the operational implications of this model to help the EPDP Team to understand impact of recommendations.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Question: What is the ccPDP’s policy recommendation language likely to look like? It may be acceptable for the policy recommendations to
 be different given that they address two different processes.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Response: The ccPDP4 has shared a document containing core recommendations on confusing similarity. One of the major differences between
 the two processes is that the ccPDP4 recommendations will feed into a process that is ongoing (as opposed to in rounds). A second major difference is that the cc process is more focused/limited, as summarized on slide 8. The focus is on the selected string,
 and its requested, delegatable variants. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Delegatable Variant = Allocatable Variant that is
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">m</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">eaningful representation of name of territory in designated language and script
 in which designated language is expressed</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">. The pool of potential applicants is known and limited in the cc process. On the GNSO side, it is unknown how many applications
 will be received and for labels in which scripts.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The fundamental approaches seem to be the same: use of the same definitions, focusing on the potential risk of misconnection, etc. Because
 of differences in the processes, the specific recommendations may be different, but these differences appear to be appropriate.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 need to be explained to the Board.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Current timeline for ccPDP4 is to produce its Initial Report prior to ICANN76.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">GNSO members are interested in the upcoming ccPDP4 stress test exercise, which will tentatively take place in mid-January. This will include
 developing scenarios and checking to see how the recommendations play out under these scenarios. The ccPDP4 will determine whether any adjustments are needed to the recommendations.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 to provide details of stress test sessions to IDN EPDP to allow IDN EPDP Team members to attend.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It was agreed that it may be helpful to meet again after the ccPDP4 has completed the stress test and before the two groups submit their respective Initial Reports (ccPDP4 tentatively
 to deliver Initial Report prior to ICANN76, IDN EPDP tentatively to deliver Initial Report in April 2023).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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