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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Please find below the notes and action items from the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/0IyZDg" title="https://community.icann.org/x/jZaZDg"><span style="color:#0563C1">28 September 2023 IDNs EPDP meeting #98</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>at
12:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ariel, Steve, and Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEMS:</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The ALAC proposed language for 3.5 will be adopted, pending review by the RySG, with a possibility of further revisions over the use of “resellers” in the new 3.5.4.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The team members will take the ALAC proposed language for IG 3.6 back to their stakeholder groups for review by the next meeting on 5 October. If there are no discrepancies, the ALAC IG 3.6 will
be adopted. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Leadership proposed Rec 4.4 was approved unanimously by the EPDP team.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The P1 Final report will be made available by ICANN Staff to the EPDP team for their review, with sections 1,3, and 5 needing input. The rest will not need input as they remain largely uncontroversial
(administrative / procedural). The Chair requests review to be completed by Meeting #99 on 5 October.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The team will use “recommendation” with a lowercase r in their final report.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">NOTES:</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Welcome and Chair Updates (5min)</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Chair welcomed everyone to the call and noted ICANN’s upcoming 25th anniversary<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Review of comments for outstanding Recs 3.5 and 4.4 and IG 3.6(90min)<o:p></o:p></span></b>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As a response to the request from the chair, the Registries submitted draft text for Rec 3.5 and IG 3.6, which the ALAC reviewed and proposed edits to this draft text over the email list.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A team member from the RySG walked the EPDP team through their draft recommendation 3.5<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was drafted with the goal to minimize applicant confusion<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.5.4 and the new 3.5.5 have the goal of having the applicant confirm they understand the complexities of applying for variant domain names<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A participant asked about the possible redundancy of 3.5.4 requiring confirmation from the applicant that they understand the complexities as it can be assumed that if they applied in the first place,
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The team member from the registries replied that the 3.5.4 works in tandem with 3.5.5 for specific confirmation of the variant complexities<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.5.4 is the direct affirmation<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level7 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.5.5 asks to detail their plan to overcome the complexities<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A different participant asked if the draft text changed the introductory paragraph for Rec 3.5<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was shortened by the Registries<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The RySG team member then walked the group through their revised IG 3.6<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This guidance asks for reasonable information to be provided by the applicant to evaluate things technical capabilities or the enforcement of the same entity principle<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There may be some overlap between IG 3.6 and Rec 3.7, IG 3.8, and IG 3.9 on the technical capabilities evaluation<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A team member from the ALAC walked the EPDP team through their proposed text for Rec 3.5<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The proposed ALAC text strikes out the RySG’s’ 3.5.4 and 3.5.5, but mainly keeps the content from the RySG’s 3.5.5 in the new 3.5.4 with some revisions included.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The RySG’s 3.5.4, asking for an acknowledgement of the complexity, would be supported if it was part of the contract between the registrars / resellers and the registrants, and not in the IDNs report. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A different participant commented on the operational point of view (reducing complexities over time). It may be overly broad and potentially hard to manage between the application and when the TLD
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The chair mentioned that for the purpose of providing some level of comfort to the evaluators, asking if the applicant is aware of complexities is a reasonable thought, but asked the RySG if they
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It may be agreeable for all to remove resellers but keep registrars as the focus of the revised text from the ALAC. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The first ALAC team member desired to keep text as is, due to the qualifier of “and/or” taking some of the stress/ burden off of including language that may not be completely necessary to all of
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">A team member responded that having resellers is not a deal breaker, but not ideal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: The ALAC proposed language for 3.5 will be adopted, pending review by the RySG, with a possibility of further revisions over the use of “resellers” in the new 3.5.4<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The ALAC then described their proposed IG 3.6<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The ALAC team did not agree with the proposed RySG text as there is overlap with Rec 3.7 and IG 3.8 and 3.9 over technical capability evaluation<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">They proposed reverting back to previous text that has been updated to reflect recent discussions<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The major theme is to put aside technicalities and the Same Entity Rule (As it doesn’t prevent all risks) and evaluate applications submitted under the lens of Rec 3.5<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The text suggests that the applicant must pass all aspects of 3.5 to proceed to the next stage of the application process. In IG 3.6.5 it is noted that the evaluation for the application for one
variant label should not affect the rest of the application<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A member of the RySG mentioned in chat “I'm still working through the proposed 3.6 since I'm just seeing it now, but I'm in general ok with it as well”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level7 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: The team members will take the ALAC proposed language for IG 3.6 back to their stakeholder groups for review by the next meeting on 5 October. If there are no discrepancies, the ALAC
IG 3.6 will be adopted. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Leadership proposed text for Rec 4.4 and staff described the text again<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There was no dissent from the team over the text, outside of the connection to the 2012 Applicant Guidebook, so the text was updated to reduce the reliance on the 2012 AGB<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also described were the newly revised Rec 4.4.4, which was reviewed by ICANN’s GDS team without change<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Leadership proposed Rec 4.4 was approved unanimously by the EPDP team<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ICANN Staff gave an overview of the final report, which they hope will be familiar to the team as it is organized very similarly to the initial report. During this meeting, Sections 1, 3, and 5 will
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: The P1 Final report will be made available by ICANN Staff to the EPDP team for their review, with sections 1,3, and 5 needing input. The rest will not need input as they remain largely
uncontroversial (administrative / procedural). The Chair requests review to be completed by Meeting #99 on 5 October.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation is generally spelled with a lowercase “r” in the text as to conform with ICANN standards, but if the team would like, “recommendation” could be changed to ‘output’ to reduce any confusion<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: The team will use “recommendation” with a lowercase r in their final report.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff then walked through the updates for report section 1, which are available with redline text for the team to review this week<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Next, staff described updates to the glossary in Section 3 of the P1 final report. Redline text is available for the team’s review. Some terms of note for review include “Conservatism”, “IRT”, and
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Finally in Section 5, Staff described edits made to the text regarding differences from the EPDP IDNs’ policies to what the ccNSO went through with ccPDP4<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Context was provided for Number 4 in section 5.2 from ICANN GDS for the single character Han gTLD rationale<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">While the EPDP supports this, the ccPDP4 does not. This difference should be considered acceptable and demonstrates a key difference between gTLD and ccTLD<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The chair implored the team to review this text, look for any discrepancies or typos, and please report back with any comments or suggestions that are important to them.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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