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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please find below the notes and action items from last Thursday’s
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/wQGWEQ">IDN EPDP Meeting #104.</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks!<br>
Ariel, Steve, Saewon, and Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Leadership requests Team’s review and input on the new batch of draft texts (Preliminary Recommendations and Glossary) by Friday, 2 February<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Further discussion will take place, but the Chair asked the RySG to have an update by 29 January for the Harmonization of IDN tables.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Leadership and Staff to discuss further on including an individual section covering a brief response to the implementation guidelines regarding the proposed approach for deferred items. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">leadership and staff will determine appropriate language for referencing the board/ specific working groups.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff to have an informal discussion with ccPDP4 on preliminary recommendation 14, as ccTLDs are the other impacted party of IDN Implementation Guidelines<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">NOTES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Roll Call and SOI Updates (2 min)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Welcome and Chair Updates (5 min)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Chair welcomed everyone to the call and provided an update on tasks completed over the past two months.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Saewon Lee was introduced as a new member of the ICANN Policy Development Support Team and will be supporting this EPDP.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Groups of stakeholders got together to discuss IDN Table Harmonization<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There was a discussion where certain registries may be interested in having common IDN tables as an option, but not a mandate.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This could be also for the benefit of registrars to have an open standard to add<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Further discussion will take place, but the Chair asked the RySG to have an update during the week of 29 January.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Variant Domain Set Definition (30 min)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A proposed explanation was added to the draft glossary<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Per a team member, t1v1 hard to say if they are allocatable or blocked unless the source was determined. It was decided that each of the TLDs needed a source domain in order to determine the disposition
of each. For example, s1v1 would be unable to be determined without a source domain for t1v1 stated.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At points in time, it may be hard to see the disposition of a domain (allocatable / blocked). As soon as a source is declared, then the other variants can be determined. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Another team member shared that there may be two use cases for this broader domain set. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One is for a registrant to register other variant TLDs<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The other is that while it may not be relevant if a domain is allocatable or blocked, in some cases the disposition value is useful but may not be for others.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A comment in chat said “The entire set is established by the first source / primary domain…. if a registrant is not interested in the other variant domain names, then the registrar or registry do
not care about it either. When the registrant decides he/she wants any of the variants in the variant TLD, then the coordination between rt/rr/ry happens.”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If we have a source registered for a given TLD, variant domain names and their disposition values can be calculated for a given TLD, and the set will consist of variant labels at the second level,
but the disposition will be unknown. The set will remain the same, but disposition cannot be determined. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff presented an unresolved question “IF the second-level label of the source domain name is only valid under T1, but not under T1v1, what does the variant domain set consist of, also factoring
in T1v1?”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If the two IDN tables are harmonized, the last code point in each table would be considered variants of each other.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Certain code points are included with certain rules. If code points are “out of repertoire” then there are procedures in the RZ-LGR. For harmonization, it would be good to have certain rules across
tables, but you need to be consistent in order to do that. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This relates to Preliminary Rec (PR) 5.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Should the above ideas be listed in the rationale for PR5? Should it be in PR5 itself?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This is an important recommendation for the purpose of understanding the source domain. There may be value in expanding on the second part of the recommendation, potentially in a footnote, but it
is important not to devalue the recommendation. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level5 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It was asked if the variant domain set changes between the two steps?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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