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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please find below the notes and action items from last Thursday’s (15 Feb 2024)
<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=302350604">IDN EPDP Meeting #106</a> as well as a proposed agenda for this Thursday’s (22 Feb 2024)
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DoEFEg">IDN EPDP Meeting #107.</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ariel, Steve, Saewon, and Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">IDNs EPDP Meeting #106</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEMS</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDN Table Harmonization: The RySG will deliberate this week and staff will request proposed language to be circulated ahead of the next meeting for a more efficient discussion/conclusion<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation 12 (RDAP profile): Leadership to develop language that is an overarching/general recommendation<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation 14: Staff to revise language and rationale (to refer to CSC Charter). Merging 14.2 and 14.3 and then reordering the items was suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Glossary: Staff to draft “variants” in the context of IDN EPDP while Leadership finalizes review<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Implementation Guidance 15 (Automatic activation): This was not covered during Team meeting and will be discussed in upcoming meetings or on the email list<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">NOTES</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Roll Call and SOI Updates (2 min) <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Welcome and Chair Updates (5 min) <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The chair welcomed everyone to the call<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Timeline Overview & Public Comment Approach (15 min) <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The chair then briefed the team on the timeline, including a meeting (#107) next week on 22 February, leading all the way through the public comment break, and all the way until mid-May when meetings
pick back up (#108 on 16 May) <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Glossary Review (30 min) <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Without substantive comments, the glossary entries will be accepted. Staff will make any grammatical or formatting changes that have been recommended.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One comment received was regarding the word “variant” and it was suggested that there could be an entry added to “variant” to clarify that this document always refers to IDN Variants when “variant”
is mentioned.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In phase 1, “IDN” was specifically divorced from “variant” to allow for separation to occur but now there are suggestions for phase 2 to bring them back together?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Staff to draft “variants” in the context of IDN EPDP while Leadership finalizes review for the glossary<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There was a sense that RDAP might not be the right protocol to be used to identify variants<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The volume might be overwhelming, per a team member.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level5 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It may be out of scope for the EPDP team to prescribe specific RDAP changes, including potential contractual issues<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A different team member disagreed with this evaluation<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This should not be a major issue to performance of RDAP as the work already has to be done by the Registry, per that team member.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It was suggested that the actions of the RDDS contract are specified (stemming from the Registration Data Policy EPDP) and this would change that<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level5 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A team member recommended that the specificity of the PR12 should be changed to a recommendation for registries to review /update RDAP profile documents<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Potentially the chair thought that specifics could be added to implementation guidance while the recommendation could stay general like in the suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Another team member talked about the difference between policy changes and contractual changes. While PDPs may change contracts, the specific language to the contracts are different from the language
in the PDPs. If updates to the RDAP lead to megabytes of information included on each query, then there will need to be significant structural changes to RDAP and its SLAs.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If the result of such changes leads to significant increases in volume for output, than the SLAs should be reviewed <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Chair suggested the creation of a general recommendation that does not prescribe contractual changes but says the RDAP profile needs to account for variants, with specific context in the implementation
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registries should be much more amenable to this situation<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Leadership will look at creating a general recommendation with specifics in implementation guidance for PR 12 <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There is a need to update RDAP profile in response to a query to see variants and this needs to be clear why the recommendation is being made but then “should” statements like what to display when
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was not covered during Team meeting and will be discussed in upcoming meetings or on the email list<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The ccPDP4 team does not have significant concerns about the recommendation. There were some reservations on the specific language, which they allege may be a bit confusing.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“Working group” is mentioned twice but regarding different groups. Could there be modifiers to resolve confusion?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In terms of 14.1, who develops the process and what goes into the process of establishing the working group. This is well defined for the ccNSO processes, but not as clear here. Who is responsible
for the actions in this recommendation?<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Additional confusion on who would approve the Implementation Guidelines? GNSO? ccNSO? ICANN Board?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regarding 14.2, there was confusion on the order of establishing the working group and establishing a charter.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The charter must be formalized before the working group is created and text should be updated to clearly define this. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">14.3 may be combined with 14.2 for additional clarity<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was supported by multiple members of the team<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Leadership and staff will review PR 14 to revise language and rationale (to refer to CSC Charter) - Merging 14.2 and 14.3 and then reordering the items was suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">PR1 received a detailed discussion in the past, but there are still outstanding issues<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There is a key component of harmonization not reflected in PR1. In Implementation Guidelines 4.0 there is a prescription to identify additional variant codepoints. Currently IDN variant tables don’t
look at cross script codepoints and it would be beneficial to reference these points in the recommendation. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendations from team members included referencing community work from the RZ-LGR.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There have been multiple meetings between the Registries and ICANN Org experts on this topic<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Discussions are still ongoing and there is another call between the two on the 20th. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The recommendation language in C4 and C5 is generally okay per a member of the RySG, but the conversations center around how these changes could be implemented.<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It was recommended by the chair that additional text should supplement the implementation guidance but not the recommendation language itself.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Draft text will be circulated internally within the RySG members to review before going out to the larger EPDP team<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: The RySG will deliberate this week and staff will request proposed language to be circulated ahead of the next meeting for a more efficient discussion/conclusion<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IG 25.3 of the Sub Pro PDP says applicants can apply for labels in scripts not in RZ-LGR (it will not be delegated if the script is not in the RZ-LGR). The Phase 1 IDN EPDP report says that variants
can be applied for if the script is in the RZ-LGR. It could be considered that IG 25.3 could be an overarching recommendation, while the IDNs recommendation could be a subset of the IDN labels and variants. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The chair stated that this EPDP was grounded in the principles of the RZ-LGR. It's possible that someone could apply for a variant that was not involved in the RZ-LGR process, but it may not be an
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A team member echoed this latter argument. They can work in conjunction, but it is possible to view them as incongruent.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff reminded the team to review the documents that have been circulated for a final review before implementation into the initial report.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff also walked through the table of content for the P2 Initial Report. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For the P2 initial report public comment, a guided input form will be used.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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