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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi All,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please find below the notes and action items from last Thursday’s (22 Feb 2024)<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DoEFEg" title="https://community.icann.org/x/DoEFEg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0563C1">IDN
EPDP Meeting #107.</span></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ariel, Steve, Saewon, and Dan</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEMS</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IDN Table Harmonization: Leadership will discuss this draft text and work through a potential way forward to incorporate the Registries Small Team work into the P2 report, but also other feedback
around potential changes to the third point in the text and also how everything interacts with question C5. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Updated Preliminary Recommendations: Staff and Leadership will draft an updated PR12 and IG 17 to best reflect the desires of the team by keeping the guidance generic but allowing a path forward.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This was communicated over the call and clarified with additional observations<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Through conversations with ICANN org, there was a discussion that while IDN Tables are a solution, they're not the only solution<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level4 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The new text does not specify which data should be used for harmonization.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level4 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RZ-LGR is a representation of the script community and end users. It contains scripts and additional code points. It was the fallback baseline recommendation when the text was originally being discussed. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level4 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What was recently discussed was that the registries team was the RZ-LGR could work at the top level, but not for the second level.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also recommended if a dataset could not be defined, then a follow-up action / IG could be created to get to this data.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Unclear at this point, but it's possible to pull out the second point in the email and turn it into a recommendation, per the Chair, along the lines of harmonization at the second level is at the
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Point 1 is a statement of fact. Point 2 could be used to draft a recommendation around and would replace what is in C5. The Chair does not want to lose what is currently in C5. Point 3 could be viewed
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The third point in the text was where there was room identified to incorporate this point, but there was a concerted effort to not specifically mention any process and constrain the text, per an
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">With the principles and need to interpret them correctly, there may be a need to update the 2nd and 3rd points to describe the mechanism to make it more clear. Also potential to collapse into C4,
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As a summary, there is a recommendation that tables have to be harmonized. It was agreed that the team wouldn’t suggest “how”. The registries have not suggested the “how” but these are principles
on how ICANN org and other stakeholders could work on this. There could be an IG to suggest this. A recommendation that says the implementation guideline working group could work on this shouldn't hold up the IRT or hold up the next round as a dependency. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Text was proposed by a team member to elevate the recommendation to not focus on the protocol but to discuss the services rendered and how the behavior should be shaped.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registration data services returns information on registered / existing domain names / objects. Unallocated variants being introduced to this system would not be a great use case for RDAP. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Since RDAP is the replacement protocol for WHOIS, it was included in the D8 response when the text was drafted. It was suggested to replace RDAP with RDDS in a comment on the text. The intent from
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It may be difficult to find a one size fits all answer for PR12. RDAP may not have to be replaced by RDDS in all cases. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level4 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The team must be very clear with their terminology. RDDS is in registry contracts and refers to both RDAP and WHOIS. It was suggested that using RDAP could make registry jobs more complicated.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level4 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It was asked what the authoritative source for an end user to determine the complete data set?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The authoritative source would be the registry. The registry determines the set. The list of potential variants could be registered, unregistered, delegated, undelegated, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level5 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The intent is clear but the terminology is to be determined. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level5 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Proposed initial draft from staff would mention that the user must be able to see allocated and source domains to calculate the variants with additional text that would not specify the protocol or
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There was caution to use “should” instead of “must” when drafting that idea.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l3 level6 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[ACTION ITEM] Staff and Leadership will draft an updated PR12 and IG 17 to best reflect the desires of the team by keeping the guidance generic but allowing a path forward.<o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ul>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Proposed text was drafted for new PR14 and IG 18 to reflect recent discussions with ccPDP4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Implementation Guidance 18 being separated from the recommendation allows for flexibility in how this is carried out in terms of the level of detail of
a charter. The elements / level of detail of the CSC Charter vs PDP charters was discussed as an example. Allowing the flexibility for the IDN Implementation Guidelines Working Group is the goal of this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The process described to establish the work group was discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There was some desire to leave the text as is from some team members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No substantive changes to the PR or IG are needed, a sentence was deleted during this call within the rationale. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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