[Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - revised language re. Geographic application

Fri Nov 9 22:05:19 UTC 2018

Dear Ayden and James,

We have read your input and respect it but applying privacy and data protection laws involves balance.  As the GDPR states, "the protection of personal data is not an absolute right; it must be considered in relation to its function in society and be balanced against other fundamental rights."  Those other fundamental rights include the rights to personal security, rights to protect one's creations, rights to be free from sexual exploitation and a host of other rights and interests, as you certainly appreciate.  For example, we heard in Barcelona from a Swedish law enforcement official that redaction of WHOIS data is impeding his unit's investigations into child sexual exploitation.  It seems to us, your approach is not adequately taking into account the fundamental balance of competing rights that need to be weighed in striking an appropriate application of privacy law.  We all value privacy rights but other rights must also be considered in balance, and although we may have different views from yours on the issue at hand, we feel just as strongly about ethical standards and ensuring those standards are met. We agree with James' statement that there is no such concept as "over-compliance" within privacy law--the accurate language, as written in our text is "over-application" rather than "over-compliance." Moreover, we point out that policy recommendations do not warrant the use of legal terms but descriptive language. There is legal and general definitional meaning of “over-application, ” but for full clarity purposes, we will amend our comments to: “misapplication of the GDPR specifically, and relevant data protection laws.”  Lastly, we point out, as Milton stated at the end of our last team call, we should not be editing other group’s comments. Therefore, while we will edit the above-noted language to take into account your sentiments, the intent and meaning of our comments should not be changed.

Sincerely,

Diane

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From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Thomas Rickert <epdp at gdpr.ninja>
Date: Friday, November 9, 2018 at 12:29 PM
To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
Cc: "gnso-epdp-team at icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - revised language re. Geographic application

I agree with Ayden and James.

As the term „over-application“ is not a legal term, there is the risk that it is understood as conveying a (negative) value judgement. In our report, we should rather present diverging views in an unbiased fashion.

Kind regards,
Thomas

Am 09.11.2018 um 17:11 schrieb James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>>:

Agree with Ayden, there is no such concept as “over-compliance” with the law.  And I recommend replacing the specific (GDPR) with the generic (Data Protection law/requirements) wherever possible.

J.

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James Bladel
GoDaddy

From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
Date: Friday, November 9, 2018 at 10:09
To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - revised language re. Geographic application

I take objection to the first bullet point that says the "GDPR should not be over-applied."  While the law may set forward minimum standards of behaviour, ethical duties and obligations do not always neatly correspond, and I believe it is our responsibility to make decisions that are ethical, and not only strictly legal. I appreciate Alan Greenberg wrote on our list several days ago to say we may have differing opinions on what is ethical and what is not, and I do not dispute that. Of course there is a degree of subjectivity here, though I would also say it isn't actually all that fuzzy. We should not need laws and regulations to guide our actions, but a moral compass that tells us we should not violate the rights of others just because we can get away with it. All domain name registrants should be entitled to privacy protections, not just those in jurisdictions with data protection regulations backed by fines.

Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline

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On Friday, 9 November 2018 16:34, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>> wrote:

Dear All,

Please find attached for your review the proposed language in relation to geographic application for inclusion in the Initial Report, based on the input that has been received to date. Staff accepted the redlines of the previous version so the redlines on page 1-2 are the edits that have been made based on the discussions to date as well as edits suggested (in the subsequent pages you can find the original draft as well as input received). Please share any further comments you made have with the mailing list by Monday 12 November at the latest.

Best regards,

Caitlin, Berry and Marika

Marika Konings
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