[Gnso-epdp-team] Experts for the lunch time presentations during the LA f2f meeting

[Alex Deacon]

I would be interested in hearing from the Microsoft DCU team and having the
opportunity to ask them questions on how they do what they do.

However  I also appreciate Ayden’s strongly held feelings so perhaps we
should consider a happy hour presentation at the end of our day allowing us
to take full advantage of the facilitators and our time together during the
day.

What could be more fun than learning about digital crimes investigation
while enjoying a cocktail or three?

Alex

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry, I really do not understand why this would be useful for our
> face-to-face meeting. I do not oppose having special webinars so that
> experts can share with us additional information and field our questions.
> But I worry it would be information overload having these presentations at
> the face-to-face meeting as well. And if we have external facilitators in
> Los Angeles next month, I think it would be a better use of this resource
> to spend what little time we do have in a face-to-face environment focusing
> on our core work plan, and not having briefings from external presenters
> that may or may not be relevant to what we have to deal with then. I feel
> very strongly about this. I am afraid I did not leave the presentations we
> had in Marrakech from external presenters with any inputs that I have been
> able to take forward, be it here in this working group or elsewhere at
> ICANN.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Saturday, 3 August 2019 10:45, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <
> Hadia at tra.gov.eg> wrote:
>
> > I totally agree with having presentations during lunch time. Certainly
> we shall have other opportunities for networking and it does not matter if
> the information is neutral or not, all members of the EPDP team are
> intelligent people who can decide which information to consider and which
> to simply disregard. To have the opportunity to learn more is always good
> and Milton you had your experience with them already because of a research
> you were conducting, its a good opportunity for the rest of us to develop
> our own.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Hadia
> >
> > From: Gnso-epdp-team gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> Mueller, Milton L milton at gatech.edu
> > Sent: 03 August 2019 05:20
> > To: Alan Greenberg
> > Cc: gnso-epdp-team at icann.org; gnso-epdp-lead at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Experts for the lunch time presentations
> during the LA f2f meeting
> >
> > First, it’s not true that working lunches haven’t accomplished much -
> they have
> >
> > Second, how about a bloody non-working lunch? Or two? Where we can chat
> and informally network? We will be working intensively for 8 hours at least.
> >
> > Third, it is simply not true that routing useful
> > Info through epdp team members requires “extraordinary time” nor is it
> true that you save time doing it the other way (indeed, that’s obviously a
> self-contradictory position.) We are discussing use cases at length and any
> information or arguments made in those discussions should not be given a
> privileged status, they come in via team members.
> >
> > Milton L Mueller
> > Professor, School of Public Policy
> > Georgia Institute of Technology
> >
> > On Aug 2, 2019, at 19:29, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.camailto
> :alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> >
> > I disagree. Working lunch meetings rarely accomplish much, so scheduling
> what may be an interesting presentation, even if from a particular
> perspective (and known to be) can be both informative and useful. Those who
> choose to just eat and not pay attention are free to do so.
> >
> > The suggestion to route any useful information through a EPDP member
> presumes we will be willing to give a member a significant and
> extraordinary time slot to do so and I would not advocate doing that.
> >
> > We have three lunch slots and I would welcome other presentations of
> interest/use for the other two days.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > At 02/08/2019 06:55 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
> >
> > Janis,
> > Much as I would love to hear more about MSFT’s digital crimes unit (I
> already have seen some of their presentations and we’ve interviewed one
> of their botnet fighters in connection with research we are doing) I think
> after our not-so-great experiences with external presentations in Marrakech
> the group really needs to “just say no� to any additional presentations
> of this sort. Please, let’s not encourage these requests anymore, let’s
> put an end to this precedent.
> >
> > We have to be aware of the fact that these presentations are not neutral
> and purely informational, they come from serious players with a stake in
> the process. Microsoft is represented on the EPDP and through the BC. IF
> they can bring useful information to bear on our discussions of use cases
> they can do it through their EPDP representative in line with our regular
> discussions, in which we all have equal status.
> >
> > Dr. Milton L Mueller
> > Georgia Institute of Technology
> > School of Public Policy
> >
> > From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.orgmailto:
> gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org> On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline
> > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 6:58 AM
> > To: Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.commailto:karklinsj at gmail.com>
> > Cc: gnso-epdp-lead at icann.orgmailto:gnso-epdp-lead at icann.org;
> gnso-epdp-team at icann.orgmailto:gnso-epdp-team at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Experts for the lunch time presentations
> during the LA f2f meeting
> >
> > It is a very short face-to-face meeting, and I imagine we will have a
> lot on the agenda and hopefully the excellent external facilitators
> present. I would prefer that we not have any additional, external
> presenters during the face-to-face - though I am certainly happy to join a
> webinar over the coming weeks to hear what anyone has to say.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ayden Férdeline
> >
> > ������� Original Message �������
> > On Friday, 2 August 2019 05:30, Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.commailto
> :karklinsj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear team members,
> >
> > I am writing to you in inform that I have received offer from Mark
> Svancarek to bring an expert from Microsoft’s Digital Crimes Unit and to
> make a (lunch time) presentation of their routine practices in
> investigating cases of concern to Microsoft. I think such a presentation
> would help us foster understand challenges facing digital wrongdoing
> investigators from private companies.
> >
> > I also would like to ask if there would be any other experts who could
> make lunchtime presentations either onsite or remotely.
> >
> > I would be grateful for your thoughts on the proposal above.
> >
> > Thank you
> > JK
> >
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