[Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Team mailing list page has incomplete list of subscribers

Ayden Férdeline icann at ferdeline.com
Mon Mar 25 13:44:31 UTC 2019

That they constitute personal information does not mean we cannot collect or process them. I presume ICANN has completed some kind of impact assessment and, on balance, determined it is appropriate to publish them in this particular instance. Hopefully that is not an incorrect assumption on my part. We do not participate in ICANN working groups in secret. Or at least, we shouldn't. I do agree that there is an inconsistency in how the mailing lists are configured; some have public archives, others do not, but I would like to see more consistency here, including a move towards all archives being public, and accurate subscriber lists (of names at least, I don't need to see the email addresses really) being available.

Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline

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On Monday, March 25, 2019 2:39 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

> Ayden, for which lists can you see the subscribers?
> That used to be the default but to my knowledge that functionality was turned off on all lists several years ago. And I would guess that even if it had not happened then, it would have been done addressing GDPR. E-mail addresses, we are told, are personal information.
> Alan
> --
> Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
> On March 25, 2019 9:57:42 PM GMT+09:00, "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps it is the default. However there are other ICANN org lists where I am able to view the entire subscriber list, if I too am subscribed, and I find this functionality and transparency to be very helpful.
>> Ayden
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Monday, March 25, 2019 1:56 PM, Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Regarding the inability to see members list, UASG lists are also set up this way.  I assumed it was default.
>>> From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org> On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 10:27
>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>; GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Team mailing list page has incomplete list of subscribers
>>> Dear Ayden,
>>> Thank you for raising this, staff will look into the matter and update you when adjustments have been made.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Nathalie
>>> From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 10:54 AM
>>> To: GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Team mailing list page has incomplete list of subscribers
>>> Hi all,
>>> I believe the [EPDP mailing list page](https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fpages%2Fviewpage.action%3FpageId%3D88574688&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C4cf4bc7b08994e34caea08d6af7a12c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636889336179240494&sdata=C6voD0zoN%2BwbWapMVcaNQlInljmq%2BpHhNG348X%2FAjSw%3D&reserved=0), which includes the names of observers, is incomplete. I note this because a recent email I sent to our list received a response directly from someone whose name is not listed on this webpage. I am unable to view the subscribers list, because unusually, [this functionality has been disabled](https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgnso-epdp-team&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C4cf4bc7b08994e34caea08d6af7a12c0%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636889336179240494&sdata=7eNx2ylEXZDqKr%2FIy0TKz8lW4iSB7efmj8C763mIr0I%3D&reserved=0) in Mailman. We work in the open and our mailing list discussions should, of course, be accessible to everyone. But we should also be clear about whose inboxes are correspondence will be reaching. I'd like to request that we please update the EPDP mailing list page to include the names of all observers.
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Ayden Férdeline
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