[Gnso-epdp-team] ICANN Meets with Belgian Data Protection Authority

Amr Elsadr aelsadr at icannpolicy.ninja
Sun Feb 23 11:40:58 UTC 2020


Hi,

And as I said during Thursday’s call, I don’t see how we can reasonably be expected to agree to these being considered principles as a result of a meeting based on a reading of the UAM paper, and an “overview” of the phase 2 initial report. Assertions like this only widen the gap we need to close in order to reach any kind of consensus.

My understanding during Thursday’s briefing was that the Belgian DPA clearly stated that there is insufficient information at their disposal to provide meaningful input, and should the EPDP Team wish for answers to specific questions, more details are required. In light of this kind of feedback, how can we possibly conclude that principles on which we can base future work have been developed or discovered during that meeting?

Personally, I agree with Milton that these meetings have been anything but helpful to the work we’re doing. They’ve only given us more cause to disagree, while disagreements are not something we have been in short supply of to begin with.

Thanks.

Amr

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia at tra.gov.eg> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> As I have said on the call today I also found the blog useful, it highlighted two main principles. First, a centralized model is better in terms of security and in relation to the data subjects and second, an algorithm that automates decision making is allowed under GDPR as long as it can demonstrate the decision was taken in accordance with the criteria set by GDPR. We keep thinking about the liability, but given the limited time we have, we need to focus on having a workable, efficient system that is compliant with GDPR.
>
> Best
>
> Hadia
>
> From: Gnso-epdp-team [mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Journoud, Franck
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:55 PM
> To: Johan Helsingius; gnso-epdp-team at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] ICANN Meets with Belgian Data Protection Authority
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> Dear Janis, ICANN org liaisons and EC EPDP members,
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> I'd like to reiterate the point that I made on the EPDP call today. I have found the blog post very helpful and sincerely thank Göran for writing it - and yet it is insufficient. I appreciate that this was a meeting rather than formal legal guidance, but it'd still be helpful if all 'our' attendees (ICANN org staff, Janis, EC) could pool their notes and analysis to produce as detailed as possible an account of what the Belgian DPA reps said. This should be followed by these attendees attending an EPDP call so that we can ask follow-up questions. Surely we can get more our of that extremely important interaction than informative and useful, but short couple of substantive paragraphs.
>
> -Franck
>
> Franck Journoud | VP, Tech Policy | MPA | E franck_journoud at motionpictures.org | O (202) 378-9127 | M (202) 285-7322
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