[Gnso-epdp-team] On the proposed guidance

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Hi Alan,

Sure thing. Melina (who wrote the NIS 2 Directive) clarified that point in her email on Tuesday. I’ve attached it here in hopes that the email list server doesn’t eat it.

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] On the proposed guidance

Hi Brian,

You have noted this European Commission advice twice now. both here and in the homework document comments. I need not say that our statements in this process have very large importance to the progression of this process, and I can but urge caution in categorical statements. If you can provide us with a copy of or a link to legal advice described, as formally issued by the Commission, regarding the implementation of the draft proposed directive (not to mention individual member state implementation) and how that applies to the SSAD, or more to the point why current proposed method does not meet 'publication requirements', then I think we would all be very interested in reviewing that.

If not, I think we should continue to consider the path forward here that has been proposed.

Thank you.

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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>> wrote:
I like it too (which is why I proposed it in Phase 2).

However, what we developed in Phase 2 is clearly not acceptable to most groups, plus, we may never have an SSAD. Historically we’ve been let down by ICANN’s inability or unwillingness to implement policies like PPSAI which actually have consensus (unlike SSAD) and which have progressed to implementation, so I don’t see the IPC agreeing to the dubious proposition of SSAD as the solution here.

Furthermore, the European Commission has already advised that mere availability of legal entity data in SSAD will not meet the publication requirements in NIS2. So let’s stay focused.

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On Apr 22, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Thomas Rickert via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>> wrote:
 Let me go on the record that I also like the idea.

I addition to the points mentioned by others, making it a one-stop-shop for all data would make it more user friendly, add safeguards against undesirable correlation of data and allows for kicking-out bad actors even at that level.

Best,
Thomas

Am 20.04.2021 um 23:49 schrieb Volker Greimann via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>>:

Hi Milton,

essentially, yes, although it would be non-personal data.

And it takes care of a huge chunk of DNS abuse (the abuse originating from the RDS harvesters, that is).
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On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:47 PM Mueller, Milton L via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team at icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team at icann.org>> wrote:
> Obviously I can’t speak for Volker, but I want to try and respond with why I find Volker’s
> proposal intriguing.

I too am intrigued by this suggestion. Volker as I understand it proposed that instead of publishing the data as we used to do with “ye olde Whois” (love that term), we would make the data of those who flag themselves as legal persons available automatically to any registered SSAD user who requests it. Other requests would be available based on the review for legitimate purpose as originally envisioned.

As Marc suggests, going through SSAD eliminates a lot of abusers/bad actors or at least gives us some recourse against them, but still gives all the legitimate users easy access to data that does not need to be private. I would hope this option would be acceptable to the stakeholders who are arguing for a legal/natural distinction.

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