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Volker, if you and the other registrars agree to be bound by contractual
limitations of what a web form should contain as set by the Phase 1 IRT
(presuming it agrees to take this on), I would consider it. I have not
heard such agreements.<br><br>
Phase 2a is discussing email contact to registrants. That is Phase 1
Recommendation 13. This is not expanding the scope of this PDP phase.
<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
<br>
At 2021-05-25 01:22 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi Alan,<br><br>
you are correct: This should be addressed as part of the P1 IRT, not this
group. We cannot willy-nilly expand the scope of a PDP. Or should
we ask to include some transfer issues relating to registration data
next? Or change the ICANN bylaws?<br>
-- <br>
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General Counsel and Policy Manager<br>
<b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>
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M: +49 6894 9396851<br>
F: +49 6894 9396851<br>
W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><br><br>
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Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:45 PM Alan Greenberg
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<dd>Volker et al,<br><br>
<dd>The Chair suggested that this issue should be addressed, but by the
Phase 1 IRT. I believe that he was correct in that the issue does
need to be addressed but do not believe that is a real possibility, since
the Phase 1 policy did not imply and web form content requirements.
<br><br>
<dd>So that leaves us with needing to take some other action to remedy
the Phase 1 recommendation that is not working.<br><br>
<dd>Unless you are recommending starting a new PDP just to address this
issue, this is a way to finesse it. We include it in our report and
solicit input. And of course discuss it following the comment
period.<br><br>
<dd>If indeed the instructions from the GNSO Council need to be changed
(which I do not believe), that could happen after the public comment
period.<br><br>
<dd>This Phase 2a DOES have the mandate to require some form of email
address be used. So we ARE discussing a change to Recommendation 13. If
we choose NOT to do that, we need to make sure the remaining policy is
viable. So I believe this recommendation is indeed in scope!<br><br>
<dd>Alan<br><br>
<dd>At 2021-05-25 12:30 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">
<dd>Hi Laureen,<br><br>
<dd>yes, we did discuss it and always returned to the point that it was
out of scope for our group. While I understand the desire to have
something on webforms included, discussion was rather one-sided due to
the scope. I understand from other registrars that there are many issues
with input fields as part of the webforms and they have chosen the format
of their forms for a reason. <br><br>
<dd>Best,<br><br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>Volker A. Greimann<br>
<dd>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br>
<dd>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>
<dd>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>
<dd>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>
<dd>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>
<dd>W:
<a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><br><br>
<dd>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>
<dd>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>
<dd>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in
England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br>
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<dd>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Kapin, Laureen
<<a href="mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov">LKAPIN@ftc.gov</a>> wrote:
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<dd>To be fair, this issue has been discussed many times during our
meetings. This recommendation merely captures what has already been
proposed by certain SGs. Hence I suggest that it be included for the
purpose of soliciting public comments. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Laureen Kapin<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Acting Assistant Director<br>
<dd>Division of Consumer Response and Operations<br>
<dd>Bureau of Consumer Protection<br>
<dd>Federal Trade Commission<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From: Gnso-epdp-team
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">
gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann via
Gnso-epdp-team
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:56 AM
<dd>To: Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
>
<dd>Cc: EPDP
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>
>
<dd>Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Hi,<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I think it is not appropriate to introduce a new recommendation at
the last minute that has not been deliberated and seems to me to be out
of scope of this WG. While I have no objection to the content of this
recommendation, and KS has already implemented its webforms in a similar
manner, I think the process concern must prevail here. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Best,<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>--
<dd>Volker A. Greimann
<dd>General Counsel and Policy Manager
<dd>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH<br><br>
<dd>T: +49 6894 9396901
<dd>M: +49 6894 9396851
<dd>F: +49 6894 9396851
<dd>W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><br>
<dd>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835
<dd>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br>
<dd>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in
England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br>
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<dd>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:45 AM Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team
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> wrote:<br><br>
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<dd>Unfortunately, Mark and I did not get this in prior to the Friday
deadline, but we still believe that it is crucial to include in the
Initial Report.<br>
<dd>Although some form of email address is a far preferable solution for
many on this EPDP, it appears that this will not be a
recommendation.<br>
<dd>As it stands, the EPDP Recommendation #13 which is supposed to
facilitate communications with the registrant does not achieve its goal.
Many registrars are using web forms, and in many cases, they are
effectively useless. As an example, one common example is a form that
simply lets the requestor select one of three messages (Domain name or
content is being used in malware, or for spam or abuse; Domain name or
content is infringing on a trademark or violating local laws or
regulations; or Research or other purpose).<br><br>
<dd>It has been suggested that this matter be referred to the Phase 1
IRT, but without a recommendation saying that the policy may set web form
content, there is no way for the IRT to establish such enforceable
rules.<br>
<dd>Accordingly, the Initial Report must include a new
Recommendation:<br>
<dd>Recommendation<br>
<dd>The Phase 1 Recommendation 13 should be amended to include:
Should a Registrar choose to use a web form, that form must allow at the
requester to specify the Subject of the email to be send (up to 64
characters) and a free-form text message of up to 512 characters to be
included in the communication to the registrant.<br>
<dd>Alan & Mark<br>
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