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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I deliberately cut off before and after the relevant quote for brevity and to focus on the relevant part of the instructions. The only guardrails around the proposals to be considered in this phase are that they be “specific” and that they
provide safeguards against issues B&B flagged. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The web form proposal checks both boxes, and there are no other qualifying criteria around proposals to be considered.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Given that, if folks want to exclude this from the report, the onus is really on the RrSG to come up with some concrete reason why we wouldn’t meet GNSO Council’s expectation “that all the required steps are followed in the consideration
of these issues which may include further public comment on an Initial Report and a Final Report that would be considered an addendum to the EPDP Phase 2 Final Report.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Brian <Brian.King@markmonitor.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You conveniently left out half the sentence there. Accidental?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here it is in its full context:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">„<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#FEFEFE"> consider specific proposals that provide sufficient safeguards to address issues flagged in the legal memo.“</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:#FEFEFE">Stating that the proposals around web forms were flagged in the legal memo is a stretch at best.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue 25. May 2021 at 20:35, King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As noted, we are supposed to “consider specific proposals that provide sufficient safeguards…” The proposal around web forms is such a proposal.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As such, we should include it in the initial report so we can solicit public comments.
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Brian King</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah Wyld via Gnso-epdp-team<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2021 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>; Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello all,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Instructions for this phase were clear:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">b) In relation to feasibility of unique contacts to have a uniform anonymized email address, the EPDP Team is expected to review the legal guidance and consider specific proposals that provide sufficient safeguards to address issues flagged
in the legal memo. Groups that requested additional time to consider this topic, which include ALAC, GAC and SSAC, will be responsible to come forward with concrete proposals to address this topic. This consideration is expected to address:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">i. Whether or not unique contacts to have a uniform anonymized email address is feasible, and if feasible, whether it should be a requirement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">ii. If feasible, but not a requirement, what guidance, if any, can be provided to Contracted Parties who may want to implement uniform anonymized email addresses. For clarity, the GNSO Council is not directing any particular outcome on either
topic, but as manager of the PDP, it is sharing its expectations with regards to which questions are expected to be addressed as part of the EPDP Team’s deliberations. Consistent with the PDP Manual, the GNSO Council does expect that all the required steps
are followed in the consideration of these issues which may include further public comment on an Initial Report and a Final Report that would be considered an addendum to the EPDP Phase 2 Final Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Web form requirements are not considered here, and the relevant recommendation is not described as open for review. Web form requirements are out of scope for
this EPDP Phase 2a.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sarah Wyld</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">, CIPP/E</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Policy & Privacy Manager</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:swyld@tucows.com" target="_blank">swyld@tucows.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">+1.416 535 0123 Ext. 1392</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>May 25, 2021 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">Volker Greimann</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-CA">Volker, if you and the other registrars agree to be bound by contractual limitations of what a web form should contain as set by the Phase 1 IRT (presuming it agrees
to take this on), I would consider it. I have not heard such agreements.<br>
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Phase 2a is discussing email contact to registrants. That is Phase 1 Recommendation 13. This is not expanding the scope of this PDP phase.
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At 2021-05-25 01:22 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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you are correct: This should be addressed as part of the P1 IRT, not this group. We cannot willy-nilly expand the scope of a PDP. Or should we ask to include some transfer issues relating to registration data next? Or change the ICANN bylaws?<br>
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:45 PM Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> > wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Volker et al,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">The Chair suggested that this issue should be addressed, but by the Phase 1 IRT. I believe that he was correct in that the issue does need to be addressed but do not believe that is a real possibility, since the Phase 1 policy did not imply
and web form content requirements. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">So that leaves us with needing to take some other action to remedy the Phase 1 recommendation that is not working.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Unless you are recommending starting a new PDP just to address this issue, this is a way to finesse it. We include it in our report and solicit input. And of course discuss it following the comment period.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">If indeed the instructions from the GNSO Council need to be changed (which I do not believe), that could happen after the public comment period.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">This Phase 2a DOES have the mandate to require some form of email address be used. So we ARE discussing a change to Recommendation 13. If we choose NOT to do that, we need to make sure the remaining policy is viable. So I believe this recommendation
is indeed in scope!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">At 2021-05-25 12:30 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Hi Laureen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">yes, we did discuss it and always returned to the point that it was out of scope for our group. While I understand the desire to have something on webforms included, discussion was rather one-sided due to the scope. I understand from other
registrars that there are many issues with input fields as part of the webforms and they have chosen the format of their forms for a reason.
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<span lang="EN-CA">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Volker A. Greimann</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">General Counsel and Policy Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">T: +49 6894 9396901</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Kapin, Laureen <<a href="mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov" target="_blank">LKAPIN@ftc.gov</a>> wrote:
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<span lang="EN-CA">To be fair, this issue has been discussed many times during our meetings. This recommendation merely captures what has already been proposed by certain SGs. Hence I suggest that it be included for the purpose of soliciting public comments.
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<span lang="EN-CA">Laureen Kapin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Acting Assistant Director</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Division of Consumer Response and Operations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Bureau of Consumer Protection</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Federal Trade Commission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">From: Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"> gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann via Gnso-epdp-team
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<span lang="EN-CA">Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:56 AM </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">To: Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> >
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<span lang="EN-CA">Cc: EPDP <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a> >
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<span lang="EN-CA">Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">I think it is not appropriate to introduce a new recommendation at the last minute that has not been deliberated and seems to me to be out of scope of this WG. While I have no objection to the content of this recommendation, and KS has already
implemented its webforms in a similar manner, I think the process concern must prevail here.
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<span lang="EN-CA">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Volker A. Greimann </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">General Counsel and Policy Manager </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">T: +49 6894 9396901 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">W: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.key-2Dsystems.net_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OGmtg_3SI10Cogwk-ShFiw&r=qQNCXqU_XE2XIdXbawYmk-YDflYH6pd8ffXlzxU37OA&m=fqGA9mr5tB6P4A4OU2KyhKn5vxvLxvZaVG58CGNsy0I&s=UO3Ndb2CNNFOlacUjaJcFD3g9_Cn4MRxFEqyvqdSRHA&e=" target="_blank">
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<span lang="EN-CA">Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835
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<span lang="EN-CA">CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:45 AM Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a> > wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Unfortunately, Mark and I did not get this in prior to the Friday deadline, but we still believe that it is crucial to include in the Initial Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Although some form of email address is a far preferable solution for many on this EPDP, it appears that this will not be a recommendation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">As it stands, the EPDP Recommendation #13 which is supposed to facilitate communications with the registrant does not achieve its goal. Many registrars are using web forms, and in many cases, they are effectively useless. As an example, one
common example is a form that simply lets the requestor select one of three messages (Domain name or content is being used in malware, or for spam or abuse; Domain name or content is infringing on a trademark or violating local laws or regulations; or Research
or other purpose).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">It has been suggested that this matter be referred to the Phase 1 IRT, but without a recommendation saying that the policy may set web form content, there is no way for the IRT to establish such enforceable rules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Accordingly, the Initial Report must include a new Recommendation:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">The Phase 1 Recommendation 13 should be amended to include: Should a Registrar choose to use a web form, that form must allow at the requester to specify the Subject of the email to be send (up to 64 characters) and a free-form text message
of up to 512 characters to be included in the communication to the registrant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Alan & Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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