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--></style></head><body lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hello all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The Instructions for this phase were clear:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'>b) In relation to feasibility of unique contacts to have a uniform anonymized email address, the EPDP Team is expected to review the legal guidance and consider specific proposals that provide sufficient safeguards to address issues flagged in the legal memo. Groups that requested additional time to consider this topic, which include ALAC, GAC and SSAC, will be responsible to come forward with concrete proposals to address this topic. This consideration is expected to address:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'>i. Whether or not unique contacts to have a uniform anonymized email address is feasible, and if feasible, whether it should be a requirement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'>ii. If feasible, but not a requirement, what guidance, if any, can be provided to Contracted Parties who may want to implement uniform anonymized email addresses. For clarity, the GNSO Council is not directing any particular outcome on either topic, but as manager of the PDP, it is sharing its expectations with regards to which questions are expected to be addressed as part of the EPDP Team’s deliberations. Consistent with the PDP Manual, the GNSO Council does expect that all the required steps are followed in the consideration of these issues which may include further public comment on an Initial Report and a Final Report that would be considered an addendum to the EPDP Phase 2 Final Report.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Web form requirements are not considered here, and the relevant recommendation is not described as open for review. Web form requirements are out of scope for this EPDP Phase 2a.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Sarah Wyld</span></b><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>, CIPP/E<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Policy & Privacy Manager<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Pronouns: she/her<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:swyld@tucows.com">swyld@tucows.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>+1.416 535 0123 Ext. 1392<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=100 height=21 style='width:1.0416in;height:.2187in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.png@01D698B1.25CB4480"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team</a><br><b>Sent: </b>May 25, 2021 1:56 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">Volker Greimann</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Volker, if you and the other registrars agree to be bound by contractual limitations of what a web form should contain as set by the Phase 1 IRT (presuming it agrees to take this on), I would consider it. I have not heard such agreements.<br><br>Phase 2a is discussing email contact to registrants. That is Phase 1 Recommendation 13. This is not expanding the scope of this PDP phase. <br><br>Alan<br><br><br>At 2021-05-25 01:22 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Alan,<br><br>you are correct: This should be addressed as part of the P1 IRT, not this group. We cannot willy-nilly expand the scope of a PDP. Or should we ask to include some transfer issues relating to registration data next? Or change the ICANN bylaws?<br>-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br>This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.<br><br><br>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail">www.avast.com</a><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"> <span style='color:blue'><br></span></a><br>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:45 PM Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Volker et al,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>The Chair suggested that this issue should be addressed, but by the Phase 1 IRT. I believe that he was correct in that the issue does need to be addressed but do not believe that is a real possibility, since the Phase 1 policy did not imply and web form content requirements. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>So that leaves us with needing to take some other action to remedy the Phase 1 recommendation that is not working.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Unless you are recommending starting a new PDP just to address this issue, this is a way to finesse it. We include it in our report and solicit input. And of course discuss it following the comment period.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>If indeed the instructions from the GNSO Council need to be changed (which I do not believe), that could happen after the public comment period.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>This Phase 2a DOES have the mandate to require some form of email address be used. So we ARE discussing a change to Recommendation 13. If we choose NOT to do that, we need to make sure the remaining policy is viable. So I believe this recommendation is indeed in scope!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Alan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>At 2021-05-25 12:30 PM, Volker Greimann wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Hi Laureen,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>yes, we did discuss it and always returned to the point that it was out of scope for our group. While I understand the desire to have something on webforms included, discussion was rather one-sided due to the scope. I understand from other registrars that there are many issues with input fields as part of the webforms and they have chosen the format of their forms for a reason. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>General Counsel and Policy Manager<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>T: +49 6894 9396901<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>M: +49 6894 9396851<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>F: +49 6894 9396851<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail">www.avast.com</a> <a href="#m_-7644586954472727470_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40"><span style='color:blue'><br></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Kapin, Laureen <<a href="mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov">LKAPIN@ftc.gov</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>To be fair, this issue has been discussed many times during our meetings. This recommendation merely captures what has already been proposed by certain SGs. Hence I suggest that it be included for the purpose of soliciting public comments. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Laureen Kapin<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Acting Assistant Director<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Division of Consumer Response and Operations<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Bureau of Consumer Protection<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Federal Trade Commission<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>From: Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"> gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann via Gnso-epdp-team <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:56 AM <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>To: Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Cc: EPDP <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Recommendation on Web Forms<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I think it is not appropriate to introduce a new recommendation at the last minute that has not been deliberated and seems to me to be out of scope of this WG. While I have no objection to the content of this recommendation, and KS has already implemented its webforms in a similar manner, I think the process concern must prevail here. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Volker A. Greimann <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>General Counsel and Policy Manager <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>T: +49 6894 9396901 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>M: +49 6894 9396851 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>F: +49 6894 9396851 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>W: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net/">www.key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"> </a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail">www.avast.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:45 AM Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a> > wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Unfortunately, Mark and I did not get this in prior to the Friday deadline, but we still believe that it is crucial to include in the Initial Report.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Although some form of email address is a far preferable solution for many on this EPDP, it appears that this will not be a recommendation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>As it stands, the EPDP Recommendation #13 which is supposed to facilitate communications with the registrant does not achieve its goal. Many registrars are using web forms, and in many cases, they are effectively useless. As an example, one common example is a form that simply lets the requestor select one of three messages (Domain name or content is being used in malware, or for spam or abuse; Domain name or content is infringing on a trademark or violating local laws or regulations; or Research or other purpose).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>It has been suggested that this matter be referred to the Phase 1 IRT, but without a recommendation saying that the policy may set web form content, there is no way for the IRT to establish such enforceable rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Accordingly, the Initial Report must include a new Recommendation:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Recommendation<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>The Phase 1 Recommendation 13 should be amended to include: Should a Registrar choose to use a web form, that form must allow at the requester to specify the Subject of the email to be send (up to 64 characters) and a free-form text message of up to 512 characters to be included in the communication to the registrant.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Alan & Mark<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>_______________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Gnso-epdp-team mailing list <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a href="mailto:Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>_______________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:72.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt'>By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( <a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service ( <a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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