[gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
Nigel Hickson
nigel.hickson at dcms.gov.uk
Sun Jun 11 02:59:01 UTC 2023
Melissa cc as above
Good evening and thank you; indeed this seems a good approach; let us see
how first session goes and (if necessary) re-group so to speak
best
Nigel
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 at 20:17, Melissa Peters Allgood <
melissa.allgood at icann.org> wrote:
> My thanks to you all for the great suggestions. These public sessions are
> coming together nicely. Based upon your feedback thus far, the proposed
> session structure is as follows:
>
> 1. Brief background to the Facilitated Dialogue: Invitation from the
> Board and Framing the Issue - Mary
> 2. Introduction to the Facilitated Dialogue: Introduction of participants
> & explanation of the process - Melissa & Participants
> - Opportunity for participants to comment on the process and
> approach, as well as for observer questions
> 3. Presentation of the Draft Framework - Melissa & Participants
> - Move block by block through the Draft Framework, staff to
> introduce the substance and participants to complement where they see fit
> - Each block will allow for observer questions and discussion
> 4. Additional community questions and feedback
>
> If you agree upon this approach, we will pick up the second session where
> we left off in the first.
>
> Are we in agreement or do you have further refinement?
>
> I look forward to seeing many of you soon,
> Melissa
>
> On 6/10/23, 2:13 PM, "gnso-gac-closed-generics on behalf of
> Jorge.Cancio--- via gnso-gac-closed-generics" <
> gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org> wrote:
>
> All good points from Manal. I feel we could combine a first overview
> by Melissa and staff, in order to give a flavor of the process and what is
> in the framework.
>
> Pause, open for general and process questions.
>
> And then go block by block, with staff introducing the substance and
> opportunity given to all participants in the dialogue to complement.
>
> Maybe this could structure both sessions. We would continue in session
> 2 where we finished in session 1, and have some time at the end of session
> 2 for an additional round of Q&A from the community.
>
> makes sense?
>
> kindly
>
> Jorge
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>
> Datum: 10. Juni 2023 um 18:17:15 MESZ
> An: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech>,
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> Dear All ..
>
>
> Apologies for my delayed input .. I have just arrived in DC,
> checked-in, settled down and got connected ..
>
> Many thanks Melissa for triggering this discussion and many thanks to
> all colleagues for their input ..
>
>
> Here is some food for thought:
>
>
> - I think we need to plan for both sessions collectively, in
> particular regarding community input .. Are we going to spend session 1
> presenting the frame and dedicate session 2 to community input, or spend
> both sessions in presenting section by section and pausing after each for
> community input, or something?
>
>
> - I also believe participants' interventions may differ according to
> the timing, so if given the floor at the very begining, interventions will
> probably be more general and overarching whereas after the intro of the
> framework, interventions may probaly be more on substance .. Anyway, if we
> plan to go section by section, one way to do it may be to ask group members
> at the end of each section if they wish to comment before opening the floor
> for discussion?
>
>
> - I'm not sure how high-level the "High-level introduction to the
> Draft Framework" is planned, but I think we need to go a bit deep on
> substance to make sure we trigger community input and discussion right from
> the first session, as community members might not have had the chance to
> read the framework ..
>
>
> This is merely food for thought .. No strong opinions .. Happy to
> proceed as colleactively agreed ..
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> --Manal
>
> ________________________________
> From: gnso-gac-closed-generics <
> gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman
> <kathy at dnrc.tech>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 4:04 AM
> To: gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
>
> Melissa, I would hope that you would open the session and lay out your
> sense of "how we got here." You've been a great facilitator and I think you
> it would be fair to give you the floor here.
>
> Jeff, I think we should all have an equal role, as participants, later
> in the discussions. Let's start on neutral footing.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 6/9/2023 4:53 PM, Melissa Peters Allgood wrote:
> Speaking on behalf of staff, we welcome you taking the lead on this
> session. The Draft Framework is your work product, not ours. We are just
> trying to find a way forward based on your feedback.
>
> Currently the session structure looks like this:
>
> 1. Intro to the Dialogue (how we got here)
> 2. Introduction of participants
> 3. Explanation of the process
> 4. High-level introduction to the Draft Framework
> * This will be presented in 3 blocks and is an opportunity for
> multiple participants to take the lead.
> 5. Floor open to participants for statements/comments
> 6. Community Q&A and discussion. Staff is available to manage the
> queue, but this is otherwise a community discussion space.
>
> Staff is working on slides for points 1-4. Anyone who wishes to take
> the lead on any of these points, please let us know and we can support your
> preparation.
>
> Does this work?
>
> Thanks,
> Melissa
>
> From: gnso-gac-closed-generics <
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> jeff at jjnsolutions.com><mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
> Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:37 PM
> To: "Greg Shatan [NARALO]" <gregshatanalac at gmail.com><mailto:
> gregshatanalac at gmail.com>, "jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch"<mailto:
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> If I +1 to Nigel, am I really +1'ing myself ;)
>
> Yes, we should all have roles to play in this discussion. We want to
> make it clear that the work was ours and that although ICANN staff is
> helping us out tremendously and we couldnt do it without them, we need to
> show the community that we did the work.
>
> Happy to help out however I can.
>
>
> [cid:part1.SsS4lUFF.VeRKudDb at dnrc.tech]
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From "Greg Shatan [NARALO]" <gregshatanalac at gmail.com<mailto:
> gregshatanalac at gmail.com>>
> To jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch<mailto:jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch>
> Cc gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
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> Date 6/9/2023 4:27:15 PM
> Subject Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> I agree as well and spoke too quickly before. If the Staff does all
> the talking and we just sit there looking beautiful, it would be rather odd.
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 14:32 Jorge.Cancio--- via
> gnso-gac-closed-generics <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>> wrote:
> +1 to Nigel 👍🏼
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Nigel Hickson via gnso-gac-closed-generics <
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
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> Datum: 8. Juni 2023 um 20:24:43 MESZ
> An: Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE) <Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:
> Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>>
> Cc: gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org> <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org
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> Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> Good evening
>
> Thanks so much Melissa for your mail and for Mary's constructive input.
>
> I agree with Jaosn; it would be really excellent to at least hear from
> the Board during the Monday meeting (though respect of course not a formal
> view) and of course are esteemed Org colleagues.
>
> On the Session process, I would join with Jeff in perhaps proposing
> that after an introduction to the Framework by Org (not least on some
> background to issue) that we all (as participants) be given the opportunity
> to say a few words; I think it would look odd if we just sat there.
>
> best
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE) <
> Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca
> ><mailto:Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:
> Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>>> wrote:
> My personal view is I’m okay with the proposed structure of the
> sessions, including staff presenting “on behalf” of the community groups.
>
> I support a communication or both Org and the Board making them aware
> of the open sessions and inviting their views (whether that’s comments or
> views after the comments are in).
>
> Looking forward to catching up!
>
>
> Jason Merritt
>
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> On Jun 8, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Greg Shatan [NARALO] <
> gregshatanalac at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanalac at gmail.com><mailto:
> gregshatanalac at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanalac at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I support a communication to both ICANN Org and the Board inviting
> them to our ICANN77 sessions and requesting their presence, participation
> and input, and for the same afterwards. I'm not sure (technically) whether
> either would participate in the comment period vs. providing their views
> after the comments are in. It would be helpful to find out from staff how
> Org and Board will be engaged going forward (beyond the extremely valuable
> participation from Alan B. and Patricio).
>
> Personally, I'm most interested in the reaction of the GAC. In many
> ways, I view a major goal of our work as responding to the Beijing
> Communique (albeit, indirectly) in order to avoid another response from the
> GAC that says in essence that Closed Generics are still not "ready for
> prime time."
>
> It doesn't bother me at all that Staff would distribute this. Perhaps
> it can/will be phrased as being "on behalf of the GAC-GNSO-ALAC Facilitated
> Dialogue on Closed Generic
> gTLDs."
>
> I have no reason to believe that ICANN Org would not support this
> type of framework and be able to implement it (or more accurately, the
> output from the PDP group). By "support" do you mean "agree with" or do
> you mean "facilitate and provide resources for"?
>
> I don't see anything that Org could not implement. With some optimism,
> I also don't see anything Org could not support. If there are pieces that
> need improvement, hopefully we will hear about them from Board, Org,
> community and others.
>
> See you in a few days!
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:49 AM jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:
> jeff at jjnsolutions.com><mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:
> jeff at jjnsolutions.com>> <jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:
> jeff at jjnsolutions.com><mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:
> jeff at jjnsolutions.com>>> wrote:
> Does it seem odd to anyone in this group that the framework is being
> presented by ICANN staff. Does that send the right message that this was a
> facilitated dialog amongst community members.
>
> Also, I know this is a late question, but are we even sure that ICANN
> Org would support this type of framework and be able to implement it?
>
> On that note, I would like to specifically make an ask to GDD staff
> that they specifically respond during the public comment period with their
> concerns or support or both. We have learned that staff providing input
> AFTER the policies are developed is too late for any meaningful changes,
> and we do not want to repeat the unnecessary delays of having to have an
> ODP after all the work is done.
>
> So, I am specifically proposing a note to both ICANN Org and the Board
> asking for their input during this meeting and during the brief comment
> period!
>
> Who is with me on that?
>
>
> <xthj5fjh.png>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From "Melissa Peters Allgood" <melissa.allgood at icann.org<mailto:
> melissa.allgood at icann.org><mailto:melissa.allgood at icann.org<mailto:
> melissa.allgood at icann.org>>>
> To "gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org><mailto:
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:
> gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>>" <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org
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> Date 6/8/2023 9:16:06 AM
> Subject [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed Generic
> gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> Hello all,
>
> Congratulations on a job well done! You have worked hard to reach this
> point, a compromise draft framework ready for community for feedback. Your
> dedication to this project is a testament to the multistakholder model.
>
> Just a few points for your review following yesterday’s call.
>
> Draft Framework
> Attached is the Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLDs. This
> document will be shared with the community at 21:00 UTC today, 8 June.
> Please note, all meeting notes taken pursuant to Chatham House rules are
> found via link in Annex 2, as well as on the public wiki page for this
> group.
>
> ICANN77 Session Planning
> Based on your feedback (albeit brief) on our call, we propose the
> following session structure for ICANN77:
>
> Section 1: Presentation of information – Staff
>
> * Introduction to the Dialogue
> * Introduction to the Process, Commitments & Participants
> * Introduction to the Framework
>
>
> Section 2: Discussion and community questions – Participants
>
> Question: Do you wish to run the same structure at both sessions or do
> you prefer two different sessions plans? If you select the latter, please
> elaborate.
>
>
> Many thanks and heartfelt congratulations!
> Melissa
>
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