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line-height:normal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">We should
circle back to this before the next call. You have gone to
great lengths to
bring governments into the discussion. They are here and are
experts in
competition, small business and consumer confusion. Are you
telling us that we cannot
talk about these issues?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If
so, I’m
incredulous. But I must be misunderstanding. <br>
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that we cannot be “</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">re-opening
or re-litigating historical issues” (note: some members
recommend we
delete this phrase from our draft commitments), but the SubPro
Working Group called
for experts to help us review complicated issues. With
government experts now in the room, we can begin the hard work
of interpreting and implementing GAC Advice, but that means
diving into the “public interest” concerns
of </span><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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competition, small business, and trademark policy. <br>
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line-height:normal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;
color:black">How else can we understand, interpret and
implement the GAC Advice of defining how “</span><span
class="markedcontent"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">exclusive
registry access should serve a </span></span><span
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<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2022 10:27 AM, Jeff Neuman
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kathy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the spirit of also not rehashing old
arguments (and adhering to my own rule), all I will say is
that there are two sides to every debate and you have
faithfully presented one side. The other side is also just as
important and claims that the issues you have presented do not
in fact exist. This is why we are here today. If it was as
straight forward as you have presented then it would have been
wrapped up already.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
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J. Neuman</span><span
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Founder
& CEO
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#06175F">JJN
Solutions, LLC</span><span
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+1.202.549.5079</span><span
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New Roman",serif"><a
href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-gac-closed-generics
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 7, 2022 7:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Additional
context and background for closed generic gTLDs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Jeff, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If we don't resolve the competition, consumer confusion and
violation of trademark principle/law problems raised by
governments, large and small entities, and individuals around
the world about closed generic gTLDs in the first round, then
how do we reach a public interest solution? It's not
"rehashing old arguments," it's getting to the heart of the
matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>No one is saying we cannot reach the goal, but GAC members
and the public told us long ago what we must consider to get
there.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/7/2022 1:04 AM, Jeff Neuman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kathy,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I appreciate your advocacy
piece from an organization called the Domain Name
Rights Coalition (which I admit I am not familiar
with), all of the sources referenced were thoroughly
discussed over the many years of the SubPro Working
Group. Our job is very narrow and does not include
revisiting all of the work done in SubPro, but rather
to discuss whether a compromise proposal can be
presented to the GNSO and the community for policy
development.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Your position opposing Closed
Generics is well documented. But with all due
respect, rehashing all of the old arguments for or
against are counterproductive at best. We have agreed
to a facilitator and I would propose that we follow
her lead if we are to make any progress at all. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our job is to be objective in
assessing potential compromises. I fear that
advocating either completely for or completely against
having Closed Generics will lessen the likelihood of
success of the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have existing GAC Advice that
states the Closed Generics must "serve a public
interest goal." It does not state that they should be
prohibited, nor does its state that it should be
allowed without restriction. I would like to hear
from the facilitator on how to proceed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 4, 2022 4:51 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-gac-closed-generics]
Additional context and background for closed generic
gTLDs
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All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In Kuala Lumpur, at the Public Forum, I shared my
concern that we need more background and context about
closed generic issues raised by governments and
commenters in 2012 and 2013. Afterwards, others at the
Public Forum agreed and shared their hope that more
information about Early Warnings and community
comments would be compiled.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>To that end, some members of the community prepared a
paper with additional background and context- a
compendium of Early Warnings and comments on closed
generic gTLDs in the first round. Please see attached.
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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