<div dir="ltr">Jorge cc as above <div><br></div><div>Good morning; thanks for this, very interesting and useful. It was very interesting hearing these "use" cases yesterday. Would be good to complete the exercise in the next Call as those not reached may give us additional insight. </div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div><br></div><div>Nigel </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 08:53, Jorge.Cancio--- via gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5708192512123555570">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Dear all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Yesterday there was a question about how the .swiss system works in case a different applicant applies for the same generic
term, while the first application is being published for public notice:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">«T</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">he registry publishes the names requested within the framework of a
name allocation mandate which have passed the initial evaluation for a period of 20 days.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)"><a href="https://whois.nic.swiss/feed" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,102,153)">Access the list</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">The names are published in the list with the word "Mandate".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">The list is in principle updated every Tuesday (2 pm). However, there may be a delay during public holidays.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:red">Other applicants may submit an application for a name allocation mandate
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69);background:yellow">for this same domain name</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)"> to the registry's address </span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)"><a href="mailto:domainnames@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,102,153)">domainnames@bakom.admin.ch</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)"> during
the publication period.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">(<a href="https://www.nic.swiss/nic/en/home/registrieren-sie-ihre-swiss-domain/bedingungen-fuer-generische-namen.html" target="_blank">https://www.nic.swiss/nic/en/home/registrieren-sie-ihre-swiss-domain/bedingungen-fuer-generische-namen.html</a>)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">How the registry (Swiss OFCOM) decides is foreseen under Article 56 of the OID, which establishes that:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">“Art. 56 ODI<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">(…)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.25pt;background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">5 In the event of a multiple candidature, the registry shall allocate the domain name
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:red">to the candidate whose project provides added value for the community concerned and for the Swiss community that is clearly greater than that of the other
projects</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.25pt;background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">6 If no project meets the requirement set out in paragraph 5 and the candidates cannot
agree on a single or joint candidature, the registry shall decide on the allocation by
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:red">drawing lots or holding an auction</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(69,69,69)">. The proceeds
from the auction are paid into federal funds.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">So far we have not had this specific case…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I hope this info is helpful
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(68,84,106)">J</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Kindly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt"> Cancio Jorge BAKOM
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 12. Dezember 2022 08:22<br>
<b>An:</b> 'Melissa Peters Allgood' <<a href="mailto:melissa.allgood@icann.org" target="_blank">melissa.allgood@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> AW: Closed Generics Ongoing Asynchronous Work - some food for thought on how it may work from Switzerland?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Dear Melissa and all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">As I mentioned some time ago, generic names as
<b>second</b> level domains under the “.swiss” TLD are subject to specific rules, which try to ensure that their allocation is done in the public interest. This system has been working for some time now and has led to the allocation of more than forty generic
second level domains under said TLD. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">The main reason for having a special procedure for such generic names is to
<b>prevent an individual player active on the market from using such a designation for his own purposes</b> and not in the interest of the general public. Some of these designations could result in a significant competitive advantage and/or a monopoly position
for the respective holder (e.g. "pizza.swiss", "cab.swiss" "hotel.swiss" or "precision.swiss").<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Generic terms are generally excluded from regular registration as second level domains under the “.swiss”, unless they are
allocated under a <b>special procedure</b> intended to assess whether the allocation is in the
<b>interest of all or part of the Swiss community</b>. In such case, the domain is allocated under specific conditions established in a “naming mandate”.</span><span lang="EN-US">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">To obtain such a naming mandate the applicant needs to demonstrate that they
<b>represent all or a significant part of the community</b> concerned with the designation applied for, or that their application is supported by a significant part or the whole of the community. This criterion can be fulfilled, for example, by an umbrella
organization of the industry in question. Guarantees of compliance with the principles of competitive neutrality, non-discrimination and transparency may substitute for representation or support of the community if the designation applied for does not refer
to a specific community or if the designation applied for is not represented by an organized or constituted community.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">In addition, applicants need to demonstrate that the
<b>planned use</b> of a domain name and the services offered with it will benefit the entirety of the groups of persons concerned<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Attached you will find a
<b>short summary on what the rules are and how they are implemented</b> under the “.swiss”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Hope this is helpful and inspiring for our common task.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Kindly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">p.s.: generic designations are defined for the purposes of the Swiss rules as “<i>designations that refer to or describe
in a general manner a category or class of goods (e.g. chocolate, biscuits, pizza, watches), services (e.g. banking, finance, hairdressing, insurance), persons or groups (e.g. consumers, lawyers, students, families), organisations (e.g. universities, federations,
associations), products (e.g. machinery, tools, cars), sectors (e.g. bakery, woodworking, construction) or activities (e.g. football, sport, yoga).</i>”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11pt"> gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Melissa Peters Allgood<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2022 17:39<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Closed Generics Ongoing Asynchronous Work<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello all, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you for your contributions to our 5 December call. Below you’ll find an outline of our ongoing work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Participant Commitments<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">The document has been updated to reflect decisions taken on Preamble, Bullets 1, and Bullet 3.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Bullet 2: I’ve shared proposed language directly into the document. This is intended as a middle way forward.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Bullet 4: This bullet remains quite busy, so I’ve shared text of two options in the comments.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Bullet 17: If you have yet to complete the table that corresponds to Bullet 17,
<b>please do so by 9 December. <u></u><u></u></b></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Reminder: This document is closed, so please do not add to it. It is intended for review only at this time.<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">The link is found here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AauD8GrQz4saYf2WKKfL7UclWZvjNuUD6YC8AjISWK4/edit" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AauD8GrQz4saYf2WKKfL7UclWZvjNuUD6YC8AjISWK4/edit</a><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<p class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Jamboard<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Please review to ensure this document captures all your need inputs.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">While I encourage you to edit your inputs to ensure they are properly reflected, please refrain from deleting the comments of others.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Frame 2 contains all need inputs captured via both the discussion and chat. I’ve attempted to group inputs to their topic/discussion thread.
<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Frame 3 contains a high-level synopsis of the needs shared on the call.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Please use Frames 4 & 5 to share additional inputs. Use text into the frame or sticky notes, whichever you prefer.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Reminder: You do not need to agree with all need inputs. We remain in the brainstorming phase.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">The link is found here: <a href="https://jamboard.google.com/d/1Y9CE4kQPTFkezViplIGuOPlDhuE6okZrfyXlWLcWJQ8/viewer" target="_blank">
https://jamboard.google.com/d/1Y9CE4kQPTFkezViplIGuOPlDhuE6okZrfyXlWLcWJQ8/viewer</a><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<p class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Asynchronous Work #2<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Based on your feeback, I ask you begin brainstorming business use cases for closed gTLDs.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-5708192512123555570MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">The link is found here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zBA0aUb5mDCslTcmzcRO26J7SbSBqvKPLvSwYOp4B2o/edit" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zBA0aUb5mDCslTcmzcRO26J7SbSBqvKPLvSwYOp4B2o/edit</a><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On our next call (<b>12 December at 12:30 UTC</b>), we will work to finalize the Participant Commitments and will continue discussions of needs and use cases for closed gTLDs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please let me know if you have any questions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Melissa<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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