<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kathy,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Asynchronous Work #4 specifically stated that, in responding to AW#4, "We are not debating “a public interest” vs. “the global public interest” at this time." In other words, while AW#4 asked us to consider whether the "Global Public Interest Framework" thingy could be a useful tool in analyzing Closed Generics, it did not ask to consider whether "the Global Public Interest" vs. "a public interest" was the right "interest" to consider. Therefore, AW#4 does not supply an "answer" to apply to Asynchronous Work #6. The debate continues!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 1:50 PM Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Jeff, <br>
</p>
<p>Tx for your response and I look forward to our conversation
ahead. <br>
</p>
<p>Quick note that our combined responses to Asynchronous Work #4
show that we <i>do </i>collectively agree that the <span id="m_4197816787194713918m_-3183951641500310266docs-title-input-label-inner">GPI Framework applies to
Closed Generic TLDs. We worked through the GPI Framework
element by element here, <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pLDQfWtxx_g56v1xATL5oy2lFANMmYK9PPijesVjDkw/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pLDQfWtxx_g56v1xATL5oy2lFANMmYK9PPijesVjDkw/edit</a></span></p>
<p><span id="m_4197816787194713918m_-3183951641500310266docs-title-input-label-inner">Applying our answer to
Asynchronous Work #6, under the circumstances, would seem to
make sense.</span></p>
<p><span id="m_4197816787194713918m_-3183951641500310266docs-title-input-label-inner">Best regards,</span><span id="m_4197816787194713918m_-3183951641500310266docs-title-input-label-inner"> <br>
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<p><span id="m_4197816787194713918m_-3183951641500310266docs-title-input-label-inner">Kathy</span></p>
On 1/20/2023 1:04 PM, Jeff Neuman wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kathy,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for this response, but I still see a
dichotomy between ICANN acting in the Global Public Interest
and new gTLDs serving a public interest goal.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN can be acting in the Global Public
Interest by allowing a gTLD that may only serve a local public
interest. For example an IDN intended to serve a local public
interest I believe is in the Global Public Interest. In other
words, the TLDs themselves may not have to serve the <u>global
public interest</u> directly, but allowing those that serve
a public interest (whether global or not) to move forward,
that indirectly supports the Global Public Interest.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thus, I believe it would be the wrong
standard for each new gTLD application for a closed generic to
force us to determine whether or not they serve a global
public interest (whatever that really means).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Jeff<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 20, 2023 12:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] "A Public
Interest" v. "The Global Public Interest" - Question /
Comment on Asynchronous Work #6<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>Hi Jeff, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I’ll
respond to your original message (and note that Philippe and
Arnaud responded as well).
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The
reason we are talking about The Global Public Interest is
because we have to. The world has changed since 2013 when the
GAC wording GAC Beijing Communique was far-seeing and
far-reaching: <b>“For strings representing generic terms,
exclusive registry access should serve a public interest
goal. See<span><span style="text-decoration:none"><a href="https://gac.icann.org/advice/communiques/Beijing%20Communique%20april2013_Final-ar.pdf" target="_blank">
https://gac.icann.org/advice/communiques/Beijing%20Communique%20april2013_Final-ar.pdf</a></span></span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A
lot has happened since then, including ICANN’s Transition from
US Government oversight. As part of the Transition, the
Community took on clear new obligations including “Core
Values” of the Bylaws, and Core Value 1.2(b)(ii), that we work
to “ascertain the global public interest.”
<span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article1" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article1</a></span></span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Board
Member Avri Doria, as you know, has been working hard
“Operationalizing the concept of the global public interest
(GPI)” that ICANN is now bound to follow. ICANN continued
this important work through COVID, putting out a paper in
2019, receiving comments, and publishing an updated version in
2020. I cite from the April 2020 paper for the quote in the
prior sentence,
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/prjxplrpublicint/GPI+Toolkit" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/prjxplrpublicint/GPI+Toolkit</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Our Asynchronous Work
#4, titled
<b>GPI Framework and Closed Generic TLDs</b>, is exactly
what the Board asked us to do. The wording in our diagrams
seems to be very appropriate. “This framework is anchored in
the Articles and Bylaws,” Avri wrote in the GPI April 2020
paper.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I believe this Core
Value was inspired by the GAC in the Beijing Advice a decade
ago. We now have two public interest guideposts and
ascertaining the Global Public Interest is certainly one of
them.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best,
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Kathy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/16/2023 5:05 PM, Jeff Neuman wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Asynchronous Work #6, there are
several references to “The Global Public Interest” and the
reason why I had a hard time with completing this work was
in reference to that particular term. In the GAC’s formal
advice in Beijing (April 2023) the GAC advised<b>: “For
strings representing generic terms, exclusive registry
access should serve a public interest goal.” See
<a href="https://gac.icann.org/advice/communiques/Beijing%20Communique%20april2013_Final-ar.pdf" target="_blank">
https://gac.icann.org/advice/communiques/Beijing%20Communique%20april2013_Final-ar.pdf</a></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Advice mentions “a public interest
goal.” I view that as VERY different that serving “the
Global Public Interest”. It is very possible (at least in
my mind) that an application for a closed generic may serve
a public interest goal without serving “the Global Public
Interest.” In other words, a closed generic my support a
local public interest goal or the public interest of one
particular country, etc. but when viewed on a Global Scale
may not qualify.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t know where or why we started
equating those terms, but I think we should go back to
serving “a public interest” as opposed to “the Global Public
Interest”. There has been no agreement within the group to
broaden that narrow GAC Advice.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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