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<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Tx you for your close analysis, but I do not agree with #3
below. I do know where this comment comes from (page 4): “<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The review should mirror the objective
and measurable commitments made by the applicant in its
application. For example, the review could focus on how the
applicant set out to achieve its goal of serving a public
interest and evaluate the mechanisms that the applicant set
forth to serve that public interest.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">==> We are looking to see what
representations a applicant/future registry operator is making
in terms of how it will use the gTLD. We are currently working
on the Framework of the Application and Evaluation. What the
applicant says should be true and verifiable, as with .Brand and
Community applications. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">==> We are still discussing
where and how to embody it in the contract. Like Specification
13 created by and for .BRANDS, we have discussed and will
continue to discuss the need for a Specification for future
Closed Generic gTLDs to lay out their responsibilities and
benefits. It's the precedent. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">===> We are going to a lot of
work to create an application process and evaluation that are
measurable and meaningful. It's key to much of the good faith,
hard work we are doing and have done.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best, Kathy<br>
</span></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/6/2023 8:36 PM, Jeff Neuman wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Christian. Here are some comments:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Page 4 states: “<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The group
believes that a panel of individual evaluators may be best
suited to make the decision about a closed generic gTLD
application.” What is a Panel of individual evaluators?
Does that mean a panel of 1 person? Or does that mean
something else? In any case, I am not sure this
distinction was discussed. Perhaps just taking out the
word “Individual”.
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also Page 4, it states: “Once
a closed generic gTLD application is evaluated and found
to have met all necessary criteria and processes for
approval, the gTLD may proceed to delegation. However, the
facilitated dialogue group agrees there should be
additional requirements for closed generic gTLDs after
they are delegated. For example, the registry operator
must begin operating its closed generic gTLD in the
intended manner within a set time frame.”<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">First, I would take out the
first sentence, because it oversimplifies what really
happens. It actually may be subject to objections, GAC
Advice, etc…..and then it may have contention and if they
survive that it needs to sign a contract, and pass
pre-evaluation testing….. Its easier to eliminate the
first sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Second, I do not remember
ever agreeing that the registry operator must begin
operating its closed generic gTLD I the intended manner
within a set time frame. We discussed it as a
possibility, but I believe that does against the SubPro
recommendation on all TLDs which only required strings to
have the required elements (a NIC page and WHOIS page).
So I would strike that sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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I also do not know where this comment came from: “<span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The review should mirror the
objective and measurable commitments made by the applicant
in its application. For example, the review could focus on
how the applicant set out to achieve its goal of serving a
public interest and evaluate the mechanisms that the
applicant set forth to serve that public interest.”<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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In fact, I remember making comments that were the opposite
of this in the sense that the applicant should comply with
the obligations it has in the agreement, but that there is
no way to actually test whether complying with those
obligations actually serves the public interest goal the
applicant identified (which itself is incredibly
subjective).<o:p></o:p></li>
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Thus, lets say an applicant says it will do (a), (b) and (c)
and it believes by doing that it will reduce spam, crime, or
pick a cause. And lets say it gets approved for the TLD
based on its commitments. If the applicant does (a), (b)
and (c) as it promised it would do, but it turns out that it
did not materially contribute to the cause, that is not
something that can or should be held against the registry in
any way.<o:p></o:p></li>
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The next paragraph is right….the applicant must perform
its obligations in the contract. But whether that
achieves the goal or not is not something for which the
registry should be accountable (at least from a
contractual perspective). If people want to hold them
accountable in the “court of public opinion” that is up to
them. But it should never be used to take away a
contract.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-gac-closed-generics
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christian Wheeler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 6, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary
Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Following
on from today’s call, please review the attached Summary
Report document (also found in your Shared Drive) and note
on the mailing list any concerns you have with sharing this
document with your communities. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Any
concerns or objections should be submitted on the list
<b>by 22:00 UTC (5 pm EST) tomorrow,</b> <b>7 March.</b>
Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(on
behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated
dialogue)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
Wheeler</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Policy
Development Support Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
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Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Christian Wheeler
<<a href="mailto:christian.wheeler@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">christian.wheeler@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a
href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Summary Report for the Closed Generics
Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hello
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As
mentioned in our previous call, staff has prepared a Summary
Report document (attached)
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">identifying
several<span style="color:black"> elements of a preliminary
CG framework
</span>based on the group’s agreed shared understandings so
far.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please
review the attached Summary Report document by 06 March,
but
<u>do </u></span></b><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#C00000">not
</span></u></b><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">share
it with your communities yet</span></u></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The
group will need to confirm this document’s readiness before
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">it
is shared with<span style="color:black"> the community.
Please
</span>flag<span style="color:black"> on the mailing list
any concerns </span>about
<span style="color:black">this Summary Report that</span></span>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">
you wish to discuss in our 06 March </span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">call
<span style="color:black">(20 UTC)</span>.<span
style="color:black"> Thank you.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Kind
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(on
behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated
dialogue)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
Wheeler</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Policy
Development Support Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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