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    <p>Hi Jeff,</p>
    <p>Tx you for your close analysis, but I do not agree with #3
      below.  I do know where this comment comes from (page 4): “<span
        style="font-size:12.0pt">The review should mirror the objective
        and measurable commitments made by the applicant in its
        application. For example, the review could focus on how the
        applicant set out to achieve its goal of serving a public
        interest and evaluate the mechanisms that the applicant set
        forth to serve that public interest.”</span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">==> We are looking to see what
        representations a applicant/future registry operator is making
        in terms of how it will use the gTLD. We are currently working
        on the Framework of the Application and Evaluation. What the
        applicant says should be true and verifiable, as with .Brand and
        Community applications. <br>
      </span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">==> We are still discussing
        where and how to embody it in the contract. Like Specification
        13 created by and for .BRANDS, we have discussed and will
        continue to discuss the need for a Specification for future
        Closed Generic gTLDs to lay out their responsibilities and
        benefits. It's the precedent. <br>
      </span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">===> We are going to a lot of
        work to create an application process and evaluation that are
        measurable and meaningful. It's key to much of the good faith,
        hard work we are doing and have done.</span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best, Kathy<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/6/2023 8:36 PM, Jeff Neuman wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Christian.  Here are some comments:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            Page 4 states:  “<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The group
              believes that a panel of individual evaluators may be best
              suited to make the decision about a closed generic gTLD
              application.”  What is a Panel of individual evaluators? 
              Does that mean a panel of 1 person?  Or does that mean
              something else?  In any case, I am not sure this
              distinction was discussed.  Perhaps just taking out the
              word “Individual”.
              <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            <span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also Page 4, it states: “Once
              a closed generic gTLD application is evaluated and found
              to have met all necessary criteria and processes for
              approval, the gTLD may proceed to delegation. However, the
              facilitated dialogue group agrees there should be
              additional requirements for closed generic gTLDs after
              they are delegated. For example, the registry operator
              must begin operating its closed generic gTLD in the
              intended manner within a set time frame.”<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            <span style="font-size:12.0pt">First, I would take out the
              first sentence, because it oversimplifies what really
              happens.  It actually may be subject to objections, GAC
              Advice, etc…..and then it may have contention and if they
              survive that it needs to sign a contract, and pass
              pre-evaluation testing….. Its easier to eliminate the
              first sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            <span style="font-size:12.0pt">Second, I do not remember
              ever agreeing that the registry operator must begin
              operating its closed generic gTLD I the intended manner
              within a set time frame.  We discussed it as a
              possibility, but I believe that does against the SubPro
              recommendation on all TLDs which only required strings to
              have the required elements (a NIC page and WHOIS page). 
              So I would strike that sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            I also do not know where this comment came from: “<span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">The review should mirror the
              objective and measurable commitments made by the applicant
              in its application. For example, the review could focus on
              how the applicant set out to achieve its goal of serving a
              public interest and evaluate the mechanisms that the
              applicant set forth to serve that public interest.”<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            In fact, I remember making comments that were the opposite
            of this in the sense that the applicant should comply with
            the obligations it has in the agreement, but that there is
            no way to actually test whether complying with those
            obligations actually serves the public interest goal the
            applicant identified (which itself is incredibly
            subjective).<o:p></o:p></li>
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            Thus, lets say an applicant says it will do (a), (b) and (c)
            and it believes by doing that it will reduce spam, crime, or
            pick a cause.  And lets say it gets approved for the TLD
            based on its commitments.  If the applicant does (a), (b)
            and (c) as it promised it would do, but it turns out that it
            did not materially contribute to the cause, that is not
            something that can or should be held against the registry in
            any way.<o:p></o:p></li>
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              The next paragraph is right….the applicant must perform
              its obligations in the contract.  But whether that
              achieves the goal or not is not something for which the
              registry should be accountable (at least from a
              contractual perspective).  If people want to hold them
              accountable in the “court of public opinion” that is up to
              them.  But it should never be used to take away a
              contract.
              <o:p></o:p></li>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Thank you for
            letting us review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#06175F">Jeffrey
                      J. Neuman</span><span
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                      New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Founder
                      & CEO
                    </span><span
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                      New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#06175F">JJN
                      Solutions, LLC</span><span
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                      New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">p:
                      +1.202.549.5079</span><span
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">E:
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                        href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        href="http://jjnsolutions.com"
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-gac-closed-generics
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org></a>
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christian Wheeler<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 6, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary
              Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hello
            all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Following
            on from today’s call, please review the attached Summary
            Report document (also found in your Shared Drive) and note
            on the mailing list any concerns you have with sharing this
            document with your communities. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Any
            concerns or objections should be submitted on the list
            <b>by 22:00 UTC (5 pm EST) tomorrow,</b> <b>7 March.</b>
            Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Kind
            regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
          </span><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(on
            behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated
            dialogue)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
            Wheeler</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Policy
            Development Support Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Internet
            Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707"><a
              href="http://www.icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">www.icann.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Christian Wheeler
              <<a href="mailto:christian.wheeler@icann.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">christian.wheeler@icann.org</a>><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b>"<a
                href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>"
              <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Summary Report for the Closed Generics
              Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hello
            all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As
            mentioned in our previous call, staff has prepared a Summary
            Report document (attached)
          </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">identifying
            several<span style="color:black"> elements of a preliminary
              CG framework
            </span>based on the group’s agreed shared understandings so
            far.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please
              review the attached Summary Report document by 06 March,
              but
              <u>do </u></span></b><b><u><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#C00000">not
              </span></u></b><b><u><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">share
                it with your communities yet</span></u></b><b><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The
            group will need to confirm this document’s readiness before
          </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">it
            is shared with<span style="color:black"> the community.
              Please
            </span>flag<span style="color:black"> on the mailing list
              any concerns </span>about
            <span style="color:black">this Summary Report that</span></span>
          <span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">
            you wish to discuss in our 06 March </span><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">call
            <span style="color:black">(20 UTC)</span>.<span
              style="color:black"> Thank you.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Kind
            regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
          </span><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(on
            behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated
            dialogue)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Christian
            Wheeler</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Policy
            Development Support Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707">Internet
            Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#080707"><a
              href="http://www.icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">www.icann.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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