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<p class="MsoNormal">Christian and Facilitated Dialogue Group,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think  this summary looks good and I have no changes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With respect to the GPI discussion on page 2 my view of the group’s discussion was that the GPI framework was unworkable to assist with the analysis that we were undertaking.  There were wide variations in applicability to issues all of
 which required multiple assumptions to make it fit the purpose the individual tried to have it fit.   I think the summary is on point and respectfully disagree with what is proposed below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-gac-closed-generics <gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 7, 2023 1:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech>; gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org; Melissa Peters Allgood <melissa.allgood@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">◄External Email►</span></strong><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - From:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Agree with the proposed new language. Thank you Kathy!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 7, 2023 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>; Melissa Peters Allgood <<a href="mailto:melissa.allgood@icann.org">melissa.allgood@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Tx for everyone's close reading. My concern is 2nd para, page 2.  It is a summary of results of only one group, the last breakout session to report.  For 2 of the 3 breakout
 groups, if I remember correctly, we found value in analyzing the Global Public Interest Framework and it added some important dimensions to our thinking. We recognize that GPI is an evolution of ICANN and part of the transition.  Many of us found our extensive
 GPI discussion useful and not to be dismissed (which may not be the goal of the Summary, but it is what comes across).
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<p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">One of our Board member observers, I think Alan, confirmed that the Board looks at GPI now for its public policy review. 
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<p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thus, I don't understand what is mean by "but also somewhat limiting for definitional purposes."  [as above, many of us found the GPI to be empowering and helping share
 a broader vision of the GAC Beijing Advice and ICANN's mission goals.]  I also would delete [, but also somewhat limiting for definitional purposes. Rather, ... ].  Small but important changes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">==> NEW: When thinking about what might constitute public interest goals, the group found ICANN’s Global Public Interest (GPI) Framework and Bylaws both to be useful tools. Th group believes it is
 possible for a closed generic gTLD to serve a public interest goal that goes beyond ICANN’s mission, and that there is value in public interest goals that serve a very broad intended public as well as a targeted intended public.
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<p><i><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I think the paragraph above is the fairer and more positive representation of our extensive work together on this important topic!
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<p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">==> OLD When thinking about what might constitute public interest goals, the group found ICANN’s Global Public Interest (GPI) Framework and Bylaws both to be useful tools,
 but also somewhat limiting for definitional purposes. Rather, the group believes it is possible for a closed generic gTLD to serve a public interest goal that goes beyond ICANN’s mission, and that there is value in public interest goals that serve a very broad
 intended public as well as a targeted intended public.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Best, Kathy</span></i><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">On 3/7/2023 6:45 AM, Nigel Hickson via gnso-gac-closed-generics wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Jeff; Jorge and colleagues 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Good morning; I share the concerns of Jorge here; not least that we did agree (at least provisionally) to the need for an applicant to start operations within a time frame; and we did agree (again provisionally)
 that the "Review" should look at whether the commitments entered into by the applicant (which include how they might use the name to fulfill a public interest goal) were being fulfilled. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Agree with Jeef that "individual" could be left out (page 4) and that we should perhaps amend (but not delete) the sentence (highlighted below) concerning delegation; to reflect the "tests" which Jeff
 refers to; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 05:50, Jorge.Cancio--- via gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">I don’t think I can agree with these „amendments“, especially regarding the obligation to start using the TLD in a given timeframe (where I felt broad consensus) and the review.<br>
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On the review: The text does not say that the fulfilment of the public service goal will be the test, but that the „mechanisms“ will be evaluated - and some form of linkage of such mechanisms and commitments with the public service goal is really needed to
 be required. Otherwise they lose their meaning.<br>
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Jorge<br>
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Von: Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>><br>
Datum: 7. März 2023 um 02:55:34 MEZ<br>
An: Christian Wheeler <<a href="mailto:christian.wheeler@icann.org" target="_blank">christian.wheeler@icann.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>><br>
Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<br>
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Thanks Christian.  Here are some comments:<br>
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  1.  Page 4 states:  “The group believes that a panel of individual evaluators may be best suited to make the decision about a closed generic gTLD application.”  What is a Panel of individual evaluators?  Does that mean a panel of 1 person?  Or does that mean
 something else?  In any case, I am not sure this distinction was discussed.  Perhaps just taking out the word “Individual”.<br>
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  1.  Also Page 4, it states: “<span style="background:yellow">Once a closed generic gTLD application is evaluated and found to have met all necessary criteria and processes for approval, the gTLD may proceed to delegation</span>. However, the facilitated dialogue
 group agrees there should be additional requirements for closed generic gTLDs after they are delegated. For example, the registry operator must begin operating its closed generic gTLD in the intended manner within a set time frame.”<br>
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  *   First, I would take out the first sentence, because it oversimplifies what really happens.  It actually may be subject to objections, GAC Advice, etc…..and then it may have contention and if they survive that it needs to sign a contract, and pass pre-evaluation
 testing….. Its easier to eliminate the first sentence.<br>
  *   Second, I do not remember ever agreeing that the registry operator must begin operating its closed generic gTLD I the intended manner within a set time frame.  We discussed it as a possibility, but I believe that does against the SubPro recommendation
 on all TLDs which only required strings to have the required elements (a NIC page and WHOIS page).  So I would strike that sentence.<br>
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  1.  I also do not know where this comment came from: “The review should mirror the objective and measurable commitments made by the applicant in its application. For example, the review could focus on how the applicant set out to achieve its goal of serving
 a public interest and evaluate the mechanisms that the applicant set forth to serve that public interest.”<br>
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  *   In fact, I remember making comments that were the opposite of this in the sense that the applicant should comply with the obligations it has in the agreement, but that there is no way to actually test whether complying with those obligations actually
 serves the public interest goal the applicant identified (which itself is incredibly subjective).<br>
  *   Thus, lets say an applicant says it will do (a), (b) and (c) and it believes by doing that it will reduce spam, crime, or pick a cause.  And lets say it gets approved for the TLD based on its commitments.  If the applicant does (a), (b) and (c) as it
 promised it would do, but it turns out that it did not materially contribute to the cause, that is not something that can or should be held against the registry in any way.<br>
  *   The next paragraph is right….the applicant must perform its obligations in the contract.  But whether that achieves the goal or not is not something for which the registry should be accountable (at least from a contractual perspective).  If people want
 to hold them accountable in the “court of public opinion” that is up to them.  But it should never be used to take away a contract.<br>
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Thank you for letting us review.<br>
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From: gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of Christian Wheeler<br>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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Following on from today’s call, please review the attached Summary Report document (also found in your Shared Drive) and note on the mailing list any concerns you have with sharing this document with your communities.<br>
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Any concerns or objections should be submitted on the list by 22:00 UTC (5 pm EST) tomorrow, 7 March. Thank you.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Christian (on behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated dialogue)<br>
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Christian Wheeler<br>
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From: Christian Wheeler <<a href="mailto:christian.wheeler@icann.org" target="_blank">christian.wheeler@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:christian.wheeler@icann.org" target="_blank">christian.wheeler@icann.org</a>>><br>
Date: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>>><br>
Subject: Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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As mentioned in our previous call, staff has prepared a Summary Report document (attached) identifying several elements of a preliminary CG framework based on the group’s agreed shared understandings so far.<br>
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Please review the attached Summary Report document by 06 March, but do not share it with your communities yet.<br>
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The group will need to confirm this document’s readiness before it is shared with the community. Please flag on the mailing list any concerns about this Summary Report that you wish to discuss in our 06 March call (20 UTC). Thank you.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Christian (on behalf of the staff team supporting the facilitated dialogue)<br>
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