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<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>Tx for everyone's close reading. My concern is 2nd para, page 2.
It is a summary of results of only one group, the last breakout
session to report. For 2 of the 3 breakout groups, if I remember
correctly, we found value in analyzing the Global Public Interest
Framework and it added some important dimensions to our thinking.
We recognize that GPI is an evolution of ICANN and part of the
transition. Many of us found our extensive GPI discussion useful
and not to be dismissed (which may not be the goal of the Summary,
but it is what comes across). <br>
</p>
<p>One of our Board member observers, I think Alan, confirmed that
the Board looks at GPI now for its public policy review. <br>
</p>
<p>Thus, I don't understand what is mean by "but also somewhat
limiting for definitional purposes." [as above, many of us found
the GPI to be empowering and helping share a broader vision of the
GAC Beijing Advice and ICANN's mission goals.] I also would
delete [, but also somewhat limiting for definitional purposes.
Rather, ... ]. Small but important changes:</p>
==> NEW: When thinking about what might constitute public
interest
goals, the group found ICANN’s Global Public Interest (GPI)
Framework and Bylaws both to be
useful tools. Th group believes it
is possible for a closed generic gTLD to serve a public interest
goal that goes beyond ICANN’s
mission, and that there is value in public interest goals that serve
a very broad intended public
as well as a targeted intended public. <br>
<p><i>I think the paragraph above is the fairer and more positive
representation of our extensive work together on this important
topic! </i></p>
<p>==> OLD When thinking about what might constitute public
interest
goals, the group found ICANN’s Global Public Interest (GPI)
Framework and Bylaws both to be
useful tools, but also somewhat limiting for definitional
purposes. Rather, the group believes it
is possible for a closed generic gTLD to serve a public interest
goal that goes beyond ICANN’s
mission, and that there is value in public interest goals that
serve a very broad intended public
as well as a targeted intended public.</p>
<i>Best, Kathy</i><br>
<p><br>
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<p></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/2023 6:45 AM, Nigel Hickson via
gnso-gac-closed-generics wrote:<br>
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<div>Good morning; I share the concerns of Jorge here; not
least that we did agree (at least provisionally) to the need
for an applicant to start operations within a time frame;
and we did agree (again provisionally) that the "Review"
should look at whether the commitments entered into by the
applicant (which include how they might use the name to
fulfill a public interest goal) were being fulfilled. </div>
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<div>Agree with Jeef that "individual" could be left out (page
4) and that we should perhaps amend (but not delete) the
sentence (highlighted below) concerning delegation; to
reflect the "tests" which Jeff refers to; </div>
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<div>best</div>
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<div>Nigel </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 05:50,
Jorge.Cancio--- via gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I don’t think I can agree
with these „amendments“, especially regarding the obligation
to start using the TLD in a given timeframe (where I felt
broad consensus) and the review.<br>
<br>
On the review: The text does not say that the fulfilment of
the public service goal will be the test, but that the
„mechanisms“ will be evaluated - and some form of linkage of
such mechanisms and commitments with the public service goal
is really needed to be required. Otherwise they lose their
meaning.<br>
<br>
kindly<br>
<br>
Jorge<br>
<br>
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Datum: 7. März 2023 um 02:55:34 MEZ<br>
An: Christian Wheeler <<a
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Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for
the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<br>
<br>
Thanks Christian. Here are some comments:<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Page 4 states: “The group believes that a panel of
individual evaluators may be best suited to make the
decision about a closed generic gTLD application.” What is
a Panel of individual evaluators? Does that mean a panel of
1 person? Or does that mean something else? In any case, I
am not sure this distinction was discussed. Perhaps just
taking out the word “Individual”.<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Also Page 4, it states: “<span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Once a closed
generic gTLD application is evaluated and found to have
met all necessary criteria and processes for approval, the
gTLD may proceed to delegation</span>. However, the
facilitated dialogue group agrees there should be additional
requirements for closed generic gTLDs after they are
delegated. For example, the registry operator must begin
operating its closed generic gTLD in the intended manner
within a set time frame.”<br>
<br>
* First, I would take out the first sentence, because it
oversimplifies what really happens. It actually may be
subject to objections, GAC Advice, etc…..and then it may
have contention and if they survive that it needs to sign a
contract, and pass pre-evaluation testing….. Its easier to
eliminate the first sentence.<br>
* Second, I do not remember ever agreeing that the
registry operator must begin operating its closed generic
gTLD I the intended manner within a set time frame. We
discussed it as a possibility, but I believe that does
against the SubPro recommendation on all TLDs which only
required strings to have the required elements (a NIC page
and WHOIS page). So I would strike that sentence.<br>
<br>
<br>
1. I also do not know where this comment came from: “The
review should mirror the objective and measurable
commitments made by the applicant in its application. For
example, the review could focus on how the applicant set out
to achieve its goal of serving a public interest and
evaluate the mechanisms that the applicant set forth to
serve that public interest.”<br>
<br>
* In fact, I remember making comments that were the
opposite of this in the sense that the applicant should
comply with the obligations it has in the agreement, but
that there is no way to actually test whether complying with
those obligations actually serves the public interest goal
the applicant identified (which itself is incredibly
subjective).<br>
* Thus, lets say an applicant says it will do (a), (b)
and (c) and it believes by doing that it will reduce spam,
crime, or pick a cause. And lets say it gets approved for
the TLD based on its commitments. If the applicant does
(a), (b) and (c) as it promised it would do, but it turns
out that it did not materially contribute to the cause, that
is not something that can or should be held against the
registry in any way.<br>
* The next paragraph is right….the applicant must
perform its obligations in the contract. But whether that
achieves the goal or not is not something for which the
registry should be accountable (at least from a contractual
perspective). If people want to hold them accountable in
the “court of public opinion” that is up to them. But it
should never be used to take away a contract.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you for letting us review.<br>
<br>
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Jeffrey J. Neuman<br>
Founder & CEO<br>
JJN Solutions, LLC<br>
p: +1.202.549.5079<br>
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From: gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a
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On Behalf Of Christian Wheeler<br>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
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Subject: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Summary Report for
the Closed Generics Facilitated Dialogue<br>
<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
Following on from today’s call, please review the attached
Summary Report document (also found in your Shared Drive)
and note on the mailing list any concerns you have with
sharing this document with your communities.<br>
<br>
Any concerns or objections should be submitted on the list
by 22:00 UTC (5 pm EST) tomorrow, 7 March. Thank you.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Christian (on behalf of the staff team supporting the
facilitated dialogue)<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Christian Wheeler <<a
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Date: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
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Subject: Summary Report for the Closed Generics Facilitated
Dialogue<br>
<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
As mentioned in our previous call, staff has prepared a
Summary Report document (attached) identifying several
elements of a preliminary CG framework based on the group’s
agreed shared understandings so far.<br>
<br>
Please review the attached Summary Report document by 06
March, but do not share it with your communities yet.<br>
<br>
The group will need to confirm this document’s readiness
before it is shared with the community. Please flag on the
mailing list any concerns about this Summary Report that you
wish to discuss in our 06 March call (20 UTC). Thank you.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Christian (on behalf of the staff team supporting the
facilitated dialogue)<br>
<br>
<br>
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Christian Wheeler<br>
Policy Development Support Analyst<br>
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