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Sophie, <br>
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language you have proposed to replace in III(2)(g)<i> is this: #2.
For “non anti-competitive behavior”, applicants must commit that
its use of this closed generic gTLD will be consistent with
principles of competitive neutrality, non-discrimination and
transparency</i>.</p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
this #2 is language that many people have worked on: Jorge, Jason,
Nigel, Ian, Greg, me, others. People with competition backgrounds
and concerns. It is language grounded in the .SWISS principles
which we have discussed through the entire length of our work in
this Small Group.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As we
discussed when you first raised this language, soon after our DC
meeting, (I think you said it came from an Australian competition
statute, but we never saw a citation for checking and
understanding its context, legislative history, etc), the
competitive bad behavior of the language is not particularly
relevant to Top Level Domains and second level domains.
Specifically, ICANN is not overseeing issues of competition in the
field, certainly not collusion (secret agreements) or exclusive
dealing (e.g, forcing someone to sell all of their goods/services
to one company, but not to others competing in the field). <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As I
shared at the time, our issue of competition in TLDs is one of
words and Trademark Law provides a much closer guide. Trademark
law is concerned with preventing the monopolization of basic words
of a business or industry by one competitor. Thus, national
trademark laws around the world prevent prevent registration of
the generic words of a business or industry as trademarks by one
competitor to the exclusion of others.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thus, I
would respectfully submit that the wording for #2
Non-Anti-Competitive Behavior in Framework v.2 -- now edited over
time (you can see an evolution of edits in the document)
<i>is carefully thought out and worked through text - </i>and
should remain<i>.</i><i><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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course, if you want to add more definitions or clarifications - as
sub-bullets - I would warmly appreciate it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Kathy</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/17/2023 8:43 AM, Sophie Hey wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy Monday all!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have transferred my proposed redlines
into a word document attached.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At the moment, I am not suggesting edits to
any other section of the document. My suggestion to
<i>Move non-discrimination and transparency somewhere in the
Contracting & Post-Delegation element</i>, is intended
as an alternative if the group is not comfortable with
striking “non-discrimination and transparency” from III.2.g.2.
Non-discrimination and transparency are already standard
obligations in the RA, so if the group does feel strongly
about keeping the phrases, then Contracting &
Post-Delegation feels a more appropriate place than
Application. Given that I personally think that the phrases
are redundant, I have not suggested a specific location for
them within Contracting & Post-Delegation. If the group
decides that this is the approach they would like, I would be
happy to draft language or defer to Staff.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sophie <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Nigel Hickson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nigel.hickson@dcms.gov.uk"><nigel.hickson@dcms.gov.uk></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 17, 2023 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com"><Kathy@kathykleiman.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>; Sophie Hey
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sophie.hey@comlaude.com"><sophie.hey@comlaude.com></a>; Melissa Peters Allgood
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] For
feedback - non anti-competitive behaviour language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Personally, would really find it useful
discussing these important points on ca Call rather than
just exchanging views on mailing list; <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nigel <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 at 18:39, Kathy
Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi Sophie,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I'm not sure I am
following all of your edits, and I would certainly
like to, especially as Melissa is now asking for an up
or down vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Could you kindly share
with us your version of III(2)(g) as it would exist
with all of the edits you propose below? I provide a
clean version of our current version below.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Also, are you proposing
edits to any other section than the current
III(2)(g)? If so, could you show us exactly where
those edits would be and how the section would read?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best and many tx!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Kathy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt">----------------
Current Framework v.2 - Application III(2)(g)
-----------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">a.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#9900FF">[UNDER
DISCUSSION]
</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">Demonstrate
the requirement of representativeness OR of non
anti-competitive behavior. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:40.5pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">For
“representativeness”, applicants must demonstrate
that the applicant represents all or a significant
part of the businesses (or has their agreement) in
the industry or grouping related to the closed
generic term. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:40.5pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">For
“non anti-competitive behavior”, applicants must
commit that its use of this closed generic gTLD will
be consistent with principles of competitive
neutrality, non-discrimination and transparency.</span>
[Now deleted:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;vertical-align:baseline">o
<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#9900FF">"Representativeness"
may be demonstrated by showing support from a
significant part OR the whole of that group that
considers itself described by the closed generic
term. (This criterion can be fulfilled, for example,
by the applicant being an umbrella organization of
the industry in question.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#9900FF">o</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#9900FF">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#9900FF">The
application must show that significantly "interested
parties," including competitors, have been consulted
and engaged for input prior to submission of the
application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:blue">o</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Should
an applicant need to demonstrate that it has the
support of its peers/competitors to operate the closed
generic gTLD?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/14/2023 4:55 AM, Sophie Hey
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
wanted to float some suggestions for feedback for
dealing with the language we discussed on
Wednesday’s call. For clarity, the purple
highlighted text is where I am proposing edits. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Demonstrate
the requirement of representativeness OR of non
anti-competitive behaviour.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo1">
For “representativeness”, applicants must
demonstrate that the applicant represents all or a
significant part of the businesses (or has their
agreement) in the industry or grouping related to
the closed generic term.
<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo1">
For “non anti-competitive behaviour”, applicants
must commit that its use of this closed generic
gTLD
<span style="color:black;background:fuchsia">will
be consistent with principles of competitive
neutrality, non-discrimination and transparency.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To
be clear, I am not objecting to the concept, and I
am very much on board with applicants committing
they will not use the TLD in a non anti-competitive
manner. My concern is the phrasing of “principles of
competitive neutrality”. It is too nebulous to have
any real meaning for applicants. I am also nervous
about using the phrase competitive advantage, as
this is a term that does not always indicate
anti-competitive behaviour. I have set out some
alternative suggestions to the highlighted purple:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
Will not be used to engage in: exclusive dealing,
collusion, preventing third parties from supplying
or offering to supply goods or services, or
otherwise controlling, limiting, or restricting
the supply of goods or services.
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">
Substitute the purple section with the principles
of competitive neutrality. If this is an option to
explore, could GAC participants please share the
principles they have in mind?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For
the non-discrimination and transparency language, I
likewise have two suggestions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">
Strike the language completely as it is redundant.
The concepts are already in the
<a
href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/agreements/agreement-approved-31jul17-en.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
Base Registry Agreement</a> in Specification 11
3(c) (see page 98).<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">
Move non-discrimination and transparency somewhere
in the Contracting & Post-Delegation element.
<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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personal preference is for option 1.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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