<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Works for me.<div>Arnaud<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Le 18 avr. 2023 à 22:37, philippe.fouquart@orange.com a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div>Thanks John. Your suggestion works for me too for the reasons given in my previous post.
<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
<div dir="auto">Philippe </div>
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<div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Jeff,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">That was my intent.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">John</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 18, 2023 4:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John McElwaine <john.mcelwaine@nelsonmullins.com>; Melissa Peters Allgood <melissa.allgood@icann.org>; gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Closed Generics Updates - 14 April 2023</span></p>
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</div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks John. I can live with your number 2 <u>If</u> all of those acts are predicated in violation of national laws.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">In other words, if I were to rewrite your #2 as I am ok with it being interpreted, it would be:</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:11pt">. For “non anti-competitive behaviour”, applicants must commit that its use of this closed generic gTLD will not be used to violate
<span style="color:red">applicable</span> national laws prohibiting unfair methods of competition.
<span style="color:red">This includes, but is not limited to<s>, , such as </s></span>collusion, restraints of trade that prohibit third parties from supplying or offering to supply goods or services, or otherwise monopolistically controlling, limiting, or
restricting the supply of goods or services.</span></p><div style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">In other words, it would not be for ICANN to determine what is “anti-competitive”, but rather such determinations would be made by courts of national jurisdiction. If they found a violation of law, then ICANN would have to ensure
the registry takes remedial actions. ICANN Compliance should never be in the position of having to determine whether an action is ”anti-competitive” in any jurisdiction.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Hopefully this is what you meant John. If so, I can support. If not, it is a red line for me to have ICANN compliance act as a substitute for regulator of national laws.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Sincerely,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Jeff</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John McElwaine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 18, 2023 11:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Melissa Peters Allgood <<a href="mailto:melissa.allgood@icann.org">melissa.allgood@icann.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Closed Generics Updates - 14 April 2023</span></p>
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</div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">With respect “representativeness”, I must respectfully state that the following is a redline for me:</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<li style="margin-left:0.25in"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">For “representativeness”, applicants must demonstrate that the applicant represents all or a significant part of the businesses (or has their agreement) in the industry or grouping related to the
closed generic term.</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt"></span></li></ol><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">The revisions would <u>only</u> allow for a closed generic applicant that was an international trade association of businesses. This is far afield from what we have discussed and would fall into the category of an impermissible
Policy determination.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">I agree with the concept of “Non Anti-Competitiveness” as a part of the Framework process as a part of the delegation section, which is Section IV. However, we are discussing this mostly in a double-negative way. Moreover,
this is an area of law that I fear we are trying to define and which is outside of our knowledge. I prefer something like Proposed Alternative #1, which I would suggest is revised as follows:</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:11pt">2. For “non anti-competitive behaviour”, applicants must commit that its use of this closed generic gTLD will not be used to violate national laws prohibiting unfair methods of competition,
such as collusion, restraints of trade that prohibit third parties from supplying or offering to supply goods or services, or otherwise monopolistically controlling, limiting, or restricting the supply of goods or services</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11pt">John</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Melissa Peters Allgood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 14, 2023 2:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Closed Generics Updates - 14 April 2023</span></p>
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</div><p><span style="">Hi all – </span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="">I want to share a bit of the work that staff has done to support your efforts and provide more detail about the approach to our upcoming calls.
</span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b><span style=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1wtLVcyWhyrCaYl1iqlAncaIyrqpS-2D-2D0aPCTjpwMue7I_edit&d=DwMGaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAm5U0rBXiZs3BfB3GfKU2uR&m=ODO8endu2yFS9Q7WIZvDyDo1jWyvQo0fVRf64r8ZyBJHmS1kTm2DEU42C8rV4FGM&s=n6Zv8I5X6-mQu2qIZs8CpuYTk5kqq3ZsvNMfiqiSDUM&e=">Discussion
Draft v2.1</a></span></b></p><p><span style="">We will continue to work our way through all your inputs into this document. It has been cleaned up slightly, hence the v2.1, but nothing of substance has been altered. We will move through this document in the following manner:</span></p>
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<li style="margin-left: 0in;">Section III. Applying for a Closed Generic gTLD</li><li style="margin-left: 0in;">Section IV. Evaluating a Closed Generic gTLD Application</li><li style="margin-left: 0in;">Section V. Contracting & Post-Delegation Review</li><li style="margin-left: 0in;">Definitions</li><li style="margin-left: 0in;">Policy questions and possible implementation questions based on group discussions to date
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<li style="margin-left: 0in;">I don’t anticipate getting into the substance of these and will simply ask if the areas detailed properly encapsulate other conversations had by this group</li></ul>
</li></ul><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="">In comments, staff have identified possible areas of duplication in upcoming points under discussion. When such areas arise, I will ask for the temperature of the room on the duplication issue before possibly moving onto the substance
of the framework element. </span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b><span style=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1u0Nb9-5FCJ-2D6R-5FZF4bt9wbkzxLhMKu64aKY-5FvzS3QixgQ_edit&d=DwMGaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAm5U0rBXiZs3BfB3GfKU2uR&m=ODO8endu2yFS9Q7WIZvDyDo1jWyvQo0fVRf64r8ZyBJHmS1kTm2DEU42C8rV4FGM&s=k27Asp9yNGvBNSgyJY2Pi8f1F7M5gBtFQCRbjkgfgm0&e=">Closed
Generics Framework v3</a></span></b></p><p><span style="">This is a clean copy of framework elements from Discussion Draft v2.1 where the group has demonstrated broad agreement. This document will continue to evolve as you work through the remaining sections of Discussion Draft v2.1.
<b><i>Please keep this document clean</i></b>. We will consider this document as a whole after we complete the remaining work found in Discussion Draft v2.1.
</span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b><u><span style="">Proposed Edits to Representativeness or Non Anti-Competitiveness</span></u></b></p><p><span style="">Sophie has shared proposed edits to this element on the mailing list. Please respond on the mailing list if:</span></p>
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<li style="margin-left: 0in;">You disagree <u>and</u> this a red line for you</li><li style="margin-left: 0in;">You wish to state a preference between the options presented</li></ol><p><span style="">Staff will incorporate your feedback on this element into Discussion Draft v2.1.
</span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b><u><span style="">Upcoming Discussions</span></u></b></p><p><span style="">As we continue to work through Discussion Draft v2.1, I’d remind you that this is
<u>not </u>the time to rehash previous positions. We all understand that many elements under discussion may not be the preference of a given individual while also not rising to the level of personal red line. Accordingly,
<b><i>I ask you limit interventions to clarifying questions and/or indications that the text under discussion is a personal red line.</i></b>
</span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="">Finally, at this point in the work I ask you focus your energy on the spirit and intention of each framework element under discussion rather than details of the text. I recognize this is far easier said than done, but I ask we all
try. </span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="">As always, my sincere thanks for your continued hard work. We are getting there!</span></p><div><span style=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="">Wishing you all a lovely weekend, </span></p><p><span style="">Melissa</span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif">Confidentiality Notice</span></strong><br>
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