<div dir="ltr">Kathy and colleagues <div><br></div><div>Good afternoon; with thanks to you and Sophie I think we are edging towards a way forward on this issue; think the two overriding objectives here are transparency and opportunity, the former in relation to everyone knowing what CG applications have been made (thus the imperative of a page / location / site where such are listed, and the latter in relation to a dedicated and distinct public consultation period; </div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div><br></div><div>Nigel</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 at 23:57, Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Sophie,</p>
<p>I confess to being a bit confused. I don't see any language below
that addresses the issues raised by Greg, Alan, me, and members of
the GAC. <br>
</p>
<p><font color="#b45f06"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></font></p>
Quick note that it is my understanding that GAC is under no
obligation to follow the SubPro Working Group's recommendation that
Early Warnings run at the same time as Reveal Day public comments,
and GAC is currently working on the timing of its Early Warnings.
<p>I reattach our paper listing concerns, history and goals for <i>a
meaningful Closed Generics comment period. <br>
</i></p>
<p><i> </i>
</p>
<p>Let me re-share Greg's email:<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:lime">"Please
respond if you can live with this compromise. If you cannot,
please offer a detailed way forward.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#b45f06">This also misses the mark and does not
provide anything close to the result being sought by a
significant portion of the group. As such, I can't live with
this either. What is needed is not merely the possibility of
the hope of the potential of an extension of the initial
"reveal day" triggered comments period. What is needed is a
firm commitment to a greater opportunity to comment -- in
the form of a second comment period for Closed Generics, to
occur after GAC Early Warnings. </font></span></span></p>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#b45f06">The number of Closed Generics is not
really relevant to whether a second period is needed
(or even the extension of the first period) --
unless we have hundreds of Closed Generics, in which
case even more time may be needed. The issue is not
primarily that commenting organizations need time to
sort through a plethora of applications; rather, the
issue is that commenting organizations will need
more time than is granted to consider whether and
how to comment on the one, two or a few Closed
Generic applications that will be relevant to
it/them, to build awareness of the relevant
application(s) and get buy-in from potential
participants in a comment, and then to develop,
write, circulate to what might be a substantial
group of co-authors, get back comments, revise,
recirculate, and finalize the comments. Underlying
this is a belief that comments on Closed Generics
are more like to come from organizations,
associations, and groups of like-minded entities
based on the very nature of the Closed Generic
gTLD. That is why this treatment is critical and
why it is sought.</font></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#b45f06">Proposed revisions:</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(180,95,6)"></span><br>
</div>
<ul style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;vertical-align:baseline"><font color="#b45f06"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Applications
for closed generics gTLDs <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">will</span> be
subject to the same Public Comment period as all other gTLD
applications. However, given that closed generic gTLDs are
uniquely impactful to the public interest<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> and to the
interests of multiple entities that may identify with a
string</span>, the group acknowledges there should be more
time dedicated to their Public Comments. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">T</span>he Public
Comment period will <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">supplemented by an
additional </span>60 day<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> comment period </span>solely
for closed generic gTLD application comments<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">, to commence upon
the submission of Early Warnings by the GAC and its
members</span>. This does not replace ICANN’s discretion
to extend the Public Comment period for all applications,
and the 60-day extension will apply to the full length of
the Public Comment period (extended or otherwise). </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></font>
<ul style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;vertical-align:baseline"><font color="#b45f06"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In
line with Implementation Guidance 13.6 from the </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-02feb21-en.pdf" target="_blank">New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Final
Report<span style="text-decoration-line:none"> </span></a>(pg.
244), this implementation should enable the public to
easily identify and obtain information about
applications for closed generic gTLDs. The group agrees
that there must be a centralized space where prospective
commenters can go to understand the rules for closed
generic gTLDs and view the applications themselves. <u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#b45f06">Note: In arriving at this compromise
approach to Public Comment, the group acknowledges the
unique nature inherent to closed generic gTLDs, as well
as the need for sufficient time for meaningful Public
Comments, and the public’s need to readily find all
relevant information about closed generic gTLD
applications."</font></span></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Best, Kathy <br>
<font color="#b45f06"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></font></p>
<div>On 6/6/2023 11:03 AM, Sophie Hey wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I have
attempted to come up with possible compromise language on
public comments for 22.b of the Framework given the comments
I saw on list the other day. This language attempts to take
into consideration that feedback as well as: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-02feb21-en.pdf" target="_blank">SubPro</a> Implementation
Guidance 13.6 (p 58, 244);<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt">SubPro Recommendation 20.4 (p
91, 261) on 30-day operational public comment periods for
application change requests;<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt">SubPro Recommendation 28.14
(p 131, 280) on a single Public Comment;<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt">SubPro Recommendation 30.5 (p
140, 283) on GAC Early Warnings running concurrently with
the public comment period and the status of 30.5 as
Pending in the Board’s
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/scorecard-subpro-pdp-board-action-16mar23-en.pdf" target="_blank">
Scorecard</a> (p39) from <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-16-03-2023-en#section2.a" target="_blank">
16 March 2023</a>;<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/subpro-oda-12dec22-en.pdf" target="_blank">Operational Design Assessment</a>
section 6.2.7 (p 213) stating that the public comment
period will run for 90-days.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Proposal:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">22.b
Applications for closed generics gTLDs must be subject to
the same Public Comment period as all other gTLD
applications set out in SubPro Final Report recommendation
28.14.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="i" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Consistent with SubPro
Recommendation 20.4, change requests to closed generic
gTLD applications in response to public comments,
objections, whether formal or informal, GAC Consensus
Advice, GAC Early Warnings, or other comments from the GAC
who will be subject to an additional 30-day operational
public comment period.
<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">In line with Implementation
Guidance 13.6 from the
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-02feb21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!_6G04zuduBJlatvxO1KXVdYeKGv57RsVaOoKh3W11SOt5UF6MyWvPL2vighBwDwaI6EKwoq-W8w-Gf5bKlKhC5tZd7TIGzYhf_MMVg$" target="_blank">
New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Final Report
[gnso.icann.org]</a>(pg. 244), this implementation
should enable the public to easily identify and obtain
information about applications for closed generic gTLDs.
The group agrees that there must be a centralized space
where prospective commenters can go to understand the
rules for closed generic gTLDs and view the applications
themselves. <u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Any policy work on closed generic
gTLDs must consider whether any other public comment
period for closed generic gTLDs is appropriate, balancing
the interests of applicants who may be in contention sets
with Closed Generics, the applicant, and prospective
commenters.
<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Rationales:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">22.b: We can
all agree that closed generics are subject to the already
established public comment period.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">22.b.i:
Expressly calling out change requests for closed generic
gTLD applications in response to public feedback requiring a
separate public comment period. I think that changes to
closed generic gTLD applications would already be covered by
20.4, but understanding a need for detail, I propose calling
this out specifically.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">22.b.ii:
Making sure that there is outreach and information available
to the public on closed generic gTLDs. I also did not see
any push back to this language on list (apologies if I
missed it).
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">22.b.iii:
Committing to a policy discussion on an additional public
comment period for closed generic gTLDs.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sophie<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Melissa Peters Allgood<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Closed
Generics Preparation for 7 June Meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">I wanted to level-set after our call
yesterday. I’ve emphasized a final push this week to get
through your remaining work to ensure this group has the
best opportunity possible to share a draft framework
before the public sessions at ICANN77.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US">At the end of our call, we discussed that
staff would take inputs on<span> </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nEy2mQm01ITo-ovxgIVQ0kNIpLqPV4bqVxTKgZb15vQ/edit" title="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nEy2mQm01ITo-ovxgIVQ0kNIpLqPV4bqVxTKgZb15vQ/edit" target="_blank">Closed Generics Framework v4 –
Edits Tracked </a>forward. Staff has incorporated many
of your suggestions and these are reflected in yellow
highlight in the v4 – Edits Tracked document. A few
comments remain in the v4 – Edits Tracked document and
will be considered by the group on our 7 June call. <span> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US">To see the outcomes of your work in
context, staff has compiled a<span> </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZzjEiWbdkqOYbzoOPglwAn30qUUNRhjP8RmgKyTlgfQ/edit" target="_blank">Draft Framework for Closed
Generic gTLDs </a>that<span> </span>includes the
edits discussed above, as well as an Executive Summary
and annex of supporting reference material.<span> </span>Please note,
22.b<span> </span>of the
Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLDs<span> </span>is holding for
the outputs of your red line discussion of Public
Comment.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US">Please review the Draft Framework for
Closed Generic gTLDs in preparation for our 7 June call,
as this is the complete draft framework, absent the
Public Comment issue and a few outstanding points raised
in the v4 – Edits Tracked document.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;background:rgb(254,254,254)" lang="EN-US">Agenda for 7 June:</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Complete discussion of the Public Comment
red line topic<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Review remaining comments in v4 – Edits
Tracked<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Go/No Go decision on the Draft Framework<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:black;margin-left:0cm">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">ICANN77 Public Session planning<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ol>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black" lang="EN-US">Thank you for your continued efforts to
collaborate and compromise.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Melissa<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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