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<p>Melissa, I would hope that you would open the session and lay out
your sense of "how we got here." You've been a great facilitator
and I think you it would be fair to give you the floor here.</p>
<p>Jeff, I think we should all have an equal role, as participants,
later in the discussions. Let's start on neutral footing.</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/2023 4:53 PM, Melissa Peters
Allgood wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Speaking on
behalf of staff, we welcome you taking the lead on this
session. The Draft Framework is your work product, not ours.
We are just trying to find a way forward based on your
feedback.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Currently
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participants to take the lead.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Community Q&A and
discussion. Staff is available to manage the queue, but
this is otherwise a community discussion space.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Staff
is working on slides for points 1-4. Anyone who wishes to
take the lead on any of these points, please let us know and
we can support your preparation.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Does
this work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Melissa</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-gac-closed-generics
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces@icann.org></a> on
behalf of <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com">"jeff@jjnsolutions.com"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"><jeff@jjnsolutions.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com">"jeff@jjnsolutions.com"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"><jeff@jjnsolutions.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Greg Shatan [NARALO]"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregshatanalac@gmail.com"><gregshatanalac@gmail.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch">"jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org">"gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"><gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft
Framework for Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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myself ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif">Yes, we should all have roles to play
in this discussion. We want to make it clear that the
work was ours and that although ICANN staff is helping us
out tremendously and we couldnt do it without them, we
need to show the community that we did the work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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UI",sans-serif">From "Greg Shatan [NARALO]" <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanalac@gmail.com"
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<a href="mailto:jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
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<a href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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UI",sans-serif">Subject Re:
[gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif">I agree as well and spoke too
quickly before. If the Staff does all the talking and
we just sit there looking beautiful, it would be
rather odd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif">On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 14:32
Jorge.Cancio--- via gnso-gac-closed-generics <<a
href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Apple
Color Emoji"">👍🏼</span><span
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________________________________<br>
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Von: Nigel Hickson via gnso-gac-closed-generics
<<a
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Datum: 8. Juni 2023 um 20:24:43 MESZ<br>
An: Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE) <<a
href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a>><br>
Cc: <a
href="mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-gac-closed-generics@icann.org</a>
<<a
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Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft
Framework for Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77
Sessions<br>
<br>
Good evening<br>
<br>
Thanks so much Melissa for your mail and for
Mary's constructive input.<br>
<br>
I agree with Jaosn; it would be really excellent
to at least hear from the Board during the Monday
meeting (though respect of course not a formal
view) and of course are esteemed Org colleagues.<br>
<br>
On the Session process, I would join with Jeff in
perhaps proposing that after an introduction to
the Framework by Org (not least on some background
to issue) that we all (as participants) be given
the opportunity to say a few words; I think it
would look odd if we just sat there.<br>
<br>
best<br>
<br>
Nigel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Merritt, Jason
(ISED/ISDE) <<a
href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a>>>
wrote:<br>
My personal view is I’m okay with the proposed
structure of the sessions, including staff
presenting “on behalf” of the community groups.<br>
<br>
I support a communication or both Org and the
Board making them aware of the open sessions and
inviting their views (whether that’s comments or
views after the comments are in).<br>
<br>
Looking forward to catching up!<br>
<br>
<br>
Jason Merritt<br>
<br>
Sr Policy Advisor, Telecommunications and Internet
Policy Branch<br>
Innovation, Science and Economic Development
Canada / Government of Canada<br>
<a href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a>>
/ Tel: 343-571-9775 / TTY: 1-866-694-8389<br>
<br>
Conseiller(ère) princ. en politiques, Direction
generale des politiques de telecommunications et
d'Internet<br>
Innovation, Sciences et Développement économique
Canada / Gouvernement du Canada<br>
<a href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jason.Merritt@ised-isde.gc.ca</a>>
/ Tél. : 343-571-9775 / ATS : 1-866-694-8389<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 8, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Greg Shatan [NARALO]
<<a href="mailto:gregshatanalac@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gregshatanalac@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:gregshatanalac@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gregshatanalac@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Jeff,<br>
<br>
I support a communication to both ICANN Org and
the Board inviting them to our ICANN77 sessions
and requesting their presence, participation and
input, and for the same afterwards. I'm not sure
(technically) whether either would participate in
the comment period vs. providing their views after
the comments are in. It would be helpful to find
out from staff how Org and Board will be engaged
going forward (beyond the extremely valuable
participation from Alan B. and Patricio).<br>
<br>
Personally, I'm most interested in the reaction of
the GAC. In many ways, I view a major goal of our
work as responding to the Beijing Communique
(albeit, indirectly) in order to avoid another
response from the GAC that says in essence that
Closed Generics are still not "ready for prime
time."<br>
<br>
It doesn't bother me at all that Staff would
distribute this. Perhaps it can/will be phrased
as being "on behalf of the GAC-GNSO-ALAC
Facilitated Dialogue on Closed Generic<br>
gTLDs."<br>
<br>
I have no reason to believe that ICANN Org would
not support this type of framework and be able to
implement it (or more accurately, the output from
the PDP group). By "support" do you mean "agree
with" or do you mean "facilitate and provide
resources for"?<br>
<br>
I don't see anything that Org could not implement.
With some optimism, I also don't see anything Org
could not support. If there are pieces that need
improvement, hopefully we will hear about them
from Board, Org, community and others.<br>
<br>
See you in a few days!<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:49 AM <a
href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>
<<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
Does it seem odd to anyone in this group that the
framework is being presented by ICANN staff. Does
that send the right message that this was a
facilitated dialog amongst community members.<br>
<br>
Also, I know this is a late question, but are we
even sure that ICANN Org would support this type
of framework and be able to implement it?<br>
<br>
On that note, I would like to specifically make an
ask to GDD staff that they specifically respond
during the public comment period with their
concerns or support or both. We have learned that
staff providing input AFTER the policies are
developed is too late for any meaningful changes,
and we do not want to repeat the unnecessary
delays of having to have an ODP after all the work
is done.<br>
<br>
So, I am specifically proposing a note to both
ICANN Org and the Board asking for their input
during this meeting and during the brief comment
period!<br>
<br>
Who is with me on that?<br>
<br>
<br>
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<<a
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Date 6/8/2023 9:16:06 AM<br>
Subject [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework
for Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions<br>
<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
Congratulations on a job well done! You have
worked hard to reach this point, a compromise
draft framework ready for community for feedback.
Your dedication to this project is a testament to
the multistakholder model.<br>
<br>
Just a few points for your review following
yesterday’s call.<br>
<br>
Draft Framework<br>
Attached is the Draft Framework for Closed Generic
gTLDs. This document will be shared with the
community at 21:00 UTC today, 8 June. Please note,
all meeting notes taken pursuant to Chatham House
rules are found via link in Annex 2, as well as on
the public wiki page for this group.<br>
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ICANN77 Session Planning<br>
Based on your feedback (albeit brief) on our call,
we propose the following session structure for
ICANN77:<br>
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Section 1: Presentation of information – Staff<br>
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* Introduction to the Dialogue<br>
* Introduction to the Process, Commitments
& Participants<br>
* Introduction to the Framework<br>
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Section 2: Discussion and community questions –
Participants<br>
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Question: Do you wish to run the same structure at
both sessions or do you prefer two different
sessions plans? If you select the latter, please
elaborate.<br>
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Many thanks and heartfelt congratulations!<br>
Melissa<br>
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