[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO CRP PDP WG on Thursday, 08 December 2016 17:00 UTC

[Michelle DeSmyter]

Dear All,

Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 08 December 2016 at 17:00 UTC at:  <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Dcrp-2Dpdp-2D13oct16-2Den.mp3&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=asM5JoG30Yqf49-Nims9k3McNfFtmzlAe1HmuXI6wic&s=0nZvoU1RqsjvPcNWDN_a2vVZDp9uXeyGO8NN2dN5h74&e=> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-08dec16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-08dec16-en.mp3>

<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Dcrp-2Dpdp-2D13oct16-2Den.mp3&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=asM5JoG30Yqf49-Nims9k3McNfFtmzlAe1HmuXI6wic&s=0nZvoU1RqsjvPcNWDN_a2vVZDp9uXeyGO8NN2dN5h74&e=>
On page: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23dec&d=DgMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=WjrWeYM_QjNq5LysKiI8HMeyAEf4PlXv0bf3d0ZhePA&s=UCQijLVN1cetQwNdo1k-2kMqzDgu5w-eqjjZ0JiXpfs&e=>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23nov&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wBBn3Ar2_mvUeGcM8rpOAyluUFEJFG5lASQ-cAccI2k&s=3BfiwO43tzwlrIbIyBY4Q-14zsFQCX518fLLR8GWR7I&e=>

Attendees:
David Maher – RySG
George Kirikos – Individual
Jay Chapman – Individual
Paul Tattersfield – Individual
Petter Rindforth - IPC
Phil Corwin – BC

Apologies:
Mason Cole – RySG
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP

ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Dennis Chang
Steve Chan
Berry Cobb
Michelle DeSmyter

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Mailing list archives:
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mm.icann.org_pipermail_gnso-2Dppsai-2Dpdp-2Dwg_&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wBBn3Ar2_mvUeGcM8rpOAyluUFEJFG5lASQ-cAccI2k&s=0DPVbyS_PjKHjDK_BuEqUeaDPy30OftE7eI0j4dIwJc&e=>

Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/jpnDAw


Thank you.
Kind regards,
Michelle DeSmyter

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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 08 December 2016
 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group on Thursday, 08 December 2016 at 17:00 UTC.
  Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_jpnDAw&d=DgICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=qp9uB8Cx8iBIB5YPr2NqGfMNU56LHoWcUWP8u9DAOfc&s=qgsxN9TM8js2aruAtasaxzNOLf1C59hdR_l1UMOt0Fo&e=
  George Kirikos:Hi folks.
  Jay Chapman:Hi George
  George Kirikos:Hi Jay. How are you?
  Jay Chapman:Great - you?
  Petter Rindforth:Hi & welcome
  Jay Chapman:Hi Petter
  George Kirikos:I'm fine, thanks.
  George Kirikos:Hey Petter.
  Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyone
  Philip Corwin:Good day all
  George Kirikos:Welcome Paul and Phil.
  Jay Chapman:yes
  George Kirikos:Some of the SOIs are missing on the website. We should encourage those missing them to fill them out.
  George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D48347895&d=DgICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=qp9uB8Cx8iBIB5YPr2NqGfMNU56LHoWcUWP8u9DAOfc&s=0w9gQ2jihAmAKQHpsNB9Vx1OB1dHSME84RPhe3KXbxs&e=
  George Kirikos:That was the post at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2016-December/000623.html in case folks missed it.
  Jay Chapman:Petter, George's point is a very salient one to make in the report
  Philip Corwin:I agree it is good to emphasize that CRP mechanisms are supplements to judicial and law enforcement actions
  George Kirikos:It's reflected/addressed in the latest draft, I believe.
  George Kirikos:We've not had any new input from the IGOs or GAC, I assume?
  Berry Cobb:FYI, Mary is trying to join this session.  She should be on momentarily.
  Mary Wong:Sorry I'm late, everyone'
  Mary Wong:Yes, all are reflected except Phil's latest
  Mary Wong:Yes
  Mary Wong:Section 6 is incorporated from Phil but not Section 4
  George Kirikos:I think my comment yesterday isn't there.
  George Kirikos:A typo, see: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2016-December/000627.html
  Philip Corwin:I believe that elsewhere in the report we point out that we found evidence that IGOs have used the UDRP. Correct?
  Mary Wong:@Phil, yes
  Jay Chapman:Based on the WG's thorough investigation, George's idea of putting a footnote on this issue seems duly warranted
  Mary Wong:@George, we can add as answers to these questions "as posed to us by the Council" or something like tht
  Jay Chapman:that's a good idea, Mary - and still add the footnote
  George Kirikos:Right, so it's a false premise. So maybe a footnote on that page, so that folks don't misrepresent our "No" or take it out of context.
  Mary Wong:As these are the actual questions that we were asked by the GNSO Council
  George Kirikos:Because, the IGOs are playing some political games, so a footnote might ensure that that sentence doesn't get misused.
  Philip Corwin:I think a footnote that references the finding elsewhere in the report is sufficient
  Mary Wong:We will make the necessary reference/adjustment, thanks
  Mary Wong:@Petter, all - yes, we made most of the suggested changes but left as comments those comments that may require more substanative changes or other more substantial edits
  George Kirikos:Is Phil's hand new?
  George Kirikos:I read Phil's changes, and they seemed fine to me for Sec #6.
  George Kirikos:I guess page 8 has the next major "debatable" point (see margin).
  Philip Corwin:That was my deletion because it was negated by receipt of the Small Group Proposal
  Philip Corwin:What page are we discussing???
  Mary Wong:Page 8 going into Page 9, I believe
  Steve Chan:I've synced the page temporarily
  Jay Chapman:yes
  Jay Chapman:p9
  George Kirikos:Sorry it was page 9.
  Jay Chapman:Agree w George
  Paul Tattersfield:agree but it needs re wording
  George Kirikos:Thanks Jay.
  George Kirikos:It looks like it's in the "Action Items" on the right pod.
  Mary Wong:@Petter, yes, that is why we didn't include that in this Section 6 as threre are no recommendations from the WG at this time on the Small Group Proposal
  George Kirikos:That's a fair point, Phil.
  George Kirikos:Well, we've essentially rejected the Small Group proposal.
  George Kirikos:(which is a "recommendation" of a sort) :-)
  George Kirikos:i.e. maybe we should explicitly recommend non-acceptance of the IGO proposal?
  George Kirikos:We should do a full typo check of the entire document, of course, before we publish.
  Paul Tattersfield:The Small group output demonstrates the problem having a policy drawn up by only people with a similar shared objectives
  George Kirikos:+1 Paul
  Steve Chan:@Phil, as noted, the draft in the AC room does not include your latest updates, but we do have them loaded to view separately.
  George Kirikos:They'll need to be merged later.
  George Kirikos:(and that'll cause all the page numbers to change)
  George Kirikos:Perhaps next week will be a "last call for edits", so that folks like Lori, Kathy, Paul Keating and any other "acive" members can get in their final views?
  Mary Wong:@George, we will circulate an updated draft along with a full draft report to the list
  George Kirikos:(i.e. before next week's meeting)
  George Kirikos:Are we looking at Phil's draft now?
  George Kirikos:(I'm lost --- which page are we on??)
  George Kirikos:(nevermind, I guess we're on page 6 now)
  Jay Chapman:I don't see any edits on p7
  George Kirikos:He's not looking at the one in the Adobe pod.
  George Kirikos:My edits are there too.
  Jay Chapman:I made a few edits in the chart as well
  Paul Tattersfield:It would be helpful if the document window could be made wider and the Notes window smaller i.e. just the same height as the chat window then you could have a larger font and still see the whole document more often with out horizontal scrolling
  Jay Chapman:agree w Phil
  George Kirikos:We can discuss Agenda item #4 now.
  George Kirikos:To get intended date of publication, etc.
  George Kirikos:The first Monday in January is January 2. So, maybe aim for January 9th or so?
  George Kirikos:(or earlier, if folks think we're up to it)
  George Kirikos:Here's a January calendar: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.timeanddate.com_calendar_monthly.html-3Fyear-3D2017-26month-3D1&d=DgICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=qp9uB8Cx8iBIB5YPr2NqGfMNU56LHoWcUWP8u9DAOfc&s=cOL4T1Kxe5htHdB9KMbrz_3X5_lkSEX0IgOiPGsFIBc&e=
  Mary Wong:@George, we would recommend the second week in Jan to publish
  George Kirikos:Yep, that makes sense, Mary, i.e. the week of January 9th. Get folks to "ease into" things in the first week, and be back in business in 2nd week of January. :-)
  Mary Wong:@George, yup
  Mary Wong:@Phil, yes
  George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D48347895&d=DgICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=qp9uB8Cx8iBIB5YPr2NqGfMNU56LHoWcUWP8u9DAOfc&s=0w9gQ2jihAmAKQHpsNB9Vx1OB1dHSME84RPhe3KXbxs&e=
  Mary Wong:@George, we will try to highlight that in the next circulation, which will be of the full draft Initial Report
  George Kirikos:A consensus of 10 or 20 people is better than just 5 or 6.
  Philip Corwin:Yes Mary, highlight that when the full report draft is circulated.
  Mary Wong:Will do, Phil
  Jay Chapman:thanks, all
  George Kirikos:Bye folks!


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