[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Acknowledging receipt (Re: [Ext] Re: Announcement: No Working Group call this week)

Wed Dec 20 15:41:28 UTC 2017

Dear Mary,

Please also acknowledge my emails of:

http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001005.html
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001007.html
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001008.html

the first of which explicitly asked for the identity and contact
information of "the chair of the Chartering Organization or
their designated representative." for the purpose of an appeal of the
co-chairs' actions, as permitted by the guidelines. I've not yet been
provided with the identity and contact information of that person to
initiate that appeal (nor have I been contacted by the co-chairs).

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear Paul,
>
>
>
> This email is being sent to acknowledge receipt of your message below. As
> your message and this reply are also sent to the Working Group mailing list,
> they will therefore be included on the public record:
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001010.html.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> From: Paul Keating <Paul at law.es>
> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:00
> To: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-."
> <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> Cc: Andrew Rosener <andrew at mediaoptions.com>, Jay Chapman
> <jay at digimedia.com>, Nat Cohen <ncohen at telepathy.com>, Zak Muscovitch
> <zak at muscovitch.com>
> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Announcement: No Working Group call
> this week
>
>
>
> Dear Mary,
>
>
>
> Please note that I fully support the email from George posted Tue Dec 19
> 23:35:58 UTC 2017
>
>
>
> No poll should be anonymous.  In every WG I have been involved in that uses
> Polls the participant must:
>
>
>
> State their full name
>
> Confirm membership
>
> Confirm their understanding that only full members may participate
>
> Confirm that any response is public and will be retained as part of the
> official WG record and be subject to inspection by anyone.
>
>
>
>
>
> In the face of such historical use and the authority cited by George, I
> continue to object to the use of anonymous polling.
>
>
>
> As I have previously expressed, polls are useful when compliant as they
> allow participation by those not able to attend the telephone call due to
> conflicts.
>
>
>
> I ask the Chairs to reverse their apparent course of action and undertake
> things properly in an open and transparent manner.
>
>
>
> Please kindly confirm receipt and that this email will be included in the WG
> records.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Raynor Keating, Esq.
>
> Law.es[law.es]
>
> Tel. +34 93 368 0247 (Spain)
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> Tel. +44.7531.400.177 (UK)
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> Tel. +1.415.937.0846 (US)
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> Fax. (Europe) +34 93 396 0810
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> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 12:10 AM
> To: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Announcement: No Working Group call this week
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> As no requests to hold a call this week have been made, please note that
> there will not be a Working Group call this Thursday 21 December. We will
> resume our discussions in January, in accordance with the timeline outlined
> by the co-chairs (below).
>
>
>
> The co-chairs have also reviewed the use of polls by the Next-Generation
> Registration Directory Services (RDS) PDP Working Group, since this was
> brought up during recent mailing list discussions on polling. Phil and
> Petter believe that the circumstances surrounding the decision to not
> utilize anonymous polling by the RDS Working Group are substantially
> different from the situation in our Working Group.
>
>
>
> In this case, they believe that an anonymous poll – with all results to be
> published to the full Working Group except for the identity of the
> respondent – will encourage greater participation and more candid responses,
> which will help guide their initial designation of the options for
> Recommendation 3 (although the expectation is that Recommendations 1, 2, and
> 4 are likely to continue to have at least consensus support).
>
>
>
> Finally, please note that once the co-chairs’ initial designations are
> published to the WG in January, all further discussion within the WG will be
> identified with those providing input and feedback.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers, and wishing everyone happy holidays from the ICANN staff
> supporting your work,
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> From: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:46
> To: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> Subject: PLEASE READ: Co-Chairs' proposal for moving forward to determining
> consensus
>
>
>
> The following email is being sent on behalf of Philip Corwin & Petter
> Rindforth (WG co-chairs).
>
>
>
>
>
> It is the view of the co-chairs that our exhaustive discussion of the
> options for dealing with the potential situation of an IGO successfully
> asserting an immunity claim in a judicial context have reached an end point;
> that all issues relevant to our Charter have been raised, understood and
> discussed; and that further discussion is unlikely to yield additional
> options that enjoy consensus support, or sway the view of Working Group
> participants regarding which option should prevail.
>
>
>
> Therefore, the co-chairs intend to proceed in the following manner:
>
>
>
> If a significant number of WG members believe that further oral discussion
> of the three additional options that will be presented in a final consensus
> call is needed, supplementing the three that were presented for WG
> consideration in our preliminary consensus call held in October 2017, and
> that email list discussion is insufficient for WG members to understand the
> intent and effect of all six options to be included in the consensus call,
> we will hold a WG meeting on December 21st at our regular time. Please
> respond to the mailing list if you believe a call on December 21st is
> needed.
>
>
>
> On December 22nd, a second poll will be sent to all WG members. The purpose
> of this poll is to assist the co-chairs in determining the level of
> support/opposition that each option enjoys. This poll will ask all WG
> members to designate one of the six options as their preferred choice for
> addressing the IGO immunity issue. WG members will also be provided with
> means to add comments regarding that preferred choice, as well as each of
> the other five options. These comments can indicate support or opposition
> for each of the options, as well as whatever additional views a WG members
> wishes to provide. Responses to this poll will be anonymous, although any WG
> member will be free to share his/her response on the WG email list. The poll
> will remain open until Friday January 5th, 2018. The aggregated results of
> the poll, as well as all comments, will be shared with all WG members and
> will be included as a section of our Final Report.
>
>
>
> Once the poll closes, the co-chairs will review all responses and then share
> their views with WG members regarding the level of consensus that each
> option enjoys. We hope to hold the first meeting of the WG on January 11th,
> 2018 in order to discuss poll results and the co-chairs’ evaluation. The
> GNSO WG Guidelines provide all WG members with an opportunity to provide
> feedback on those proposed classifications, and the final consensus level
> for each option included in the Final Report will be determined under the
> procedure provided in the Guidelines. As soon as that process is completed
> we will publish a draft Final Report for WG review and comment, and will
> provide a reasonable time for all WG members to draft and submit Minority
> views. We will try to have our Final Report ready for submission to the GNSO
> Council in order to meet the February 12th, 2018 document submission
> deadline, at the latest, for its February 22nd meeting.
>
>
>
> Please let us know if you have any questions about this procedure. Thank
> you.
>
>
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