[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Fri Jan 12 19:11:53 UTC 2018

Phil and I have received a limited time to carefully study and reply to George's comments, presented just a few minutes before the call.

In this respect, it would be convenient to know if you, George, expect to also get comments/ reply to your continuous comments with accusing us Co-chairs to "sabotage" and "penalizing" the system.

Or, if this is only to be seen as your own personal views directed to us, views which you do not want to be included and considered in the complaint as such?

Your clarification is appreciated.

/ Petter

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Thank you

12 januari 2018 18:52:36 +01:00, skrev George Kirikos <icann at leap.com>:

> Hi folks,
> 
> (1) The correct link is:
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoicrpmpdp/2018-01-11+IGO-INGO+Access+to+Curative+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+Working+Group>
> (as I noted earlier)
> 
> (2) Phil's narrative is, as has often been the case in this PDP,
> incorrect. As a courtesy (I did not have to send it at all), I sent a
> PDF containing the exact remarks I was going to make at the start of
> the call (I was scheduled to go first), so folks could follow along as
> I made my oral presentation. It's nicely formatted, and has all the
> links provided, and thus one need not have to rely on an imperfect
> transcript later on. It would have taken approximately 12 minutes for
> me to have gone through it orally (a minute per page). Most of the
> material is not new, and was taken directly from the mailing list
> archives.
> 
> Phil pretends that he was somehow *disadvantaged* by having a complete
> and accurate copy of my oral presentation. He was not disadvantaged at
> all --- I could have and would have simply presented orally exactly
> what was in that document, had I not been interrupted.
> 
> From my perspective, it seems that Phil came completely unprepared to
> the meeting, saw that our side was fully prepared, and wanted to stall
> the process and buy time, so that they could get their act together.
> They underestimated the quality of our appeal, and wanted to retreat
> to reorganize. He wanted to sabotage the call, to penalize our side
> for being diligent and prepared.
> 
> Recall, I was prepared to discuss this in December, but their side
> controlled the process and timing. I was prepared to discuss it on
> January 4, 2018 (last week), but again, they controlled the process.
> 
> I encourage everyone to actually go through the recording, and see
> exactly who was being reasonable. Phil would not even agree to
> withdraw the one-sided letter that they sent to GNSO Council (on
> December 21, 2017, AFTER the appeal), or in the alternative ask that
> it not be acted upon, to help ensure that their delaying tactics could
> not become a manipulation of the process that would work to their
> advantage. They never gave anyone notice of their December 21, 2017
> letter to GNSO council either, or provided any opportunity to anyone
> to respond to it to counterbalance its contents.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> <http://www.leap.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Corwin, Philip <<pcorwin at verisign.com>> wrote:
> 
> > The call transcript can be found at <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/79429635/transcript%20Discussion%20George%E2%80%99s%20appeal%20under%20section%203%207%20GNSO%20WG%20guidelines%20%2011%20Jan%202018.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515769818000&api=v2>
> > 
> > For the record, I disagree with George's characterization that he was "interrupted immediately".
> > 
> > What occurred was that George submitted a 12-page document with 28 footnotes that arrived by email just 76 minutes prior to the start of the call. I had no opportunity to read much less consider its content prior to the call.
> > 
> > When the call commenced I asked for mutual agreement that, given the length of the document and the fact that it arrived without advance notice, the co-chairs be accorded the courtesy of being given a few days after conclusion of the call to fully consider its contents and to respond in writing if they wished to do so. I expected this request to be noncontroversial but it proved otherwise.
> > 
> > Philip S. Corwin
> > Policy Counsel
> > VeriSign, Inc.
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> > 571-342-7489/Cell
> > 
> > "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:<gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 AM
> > To: gnso-igo-ingo-. <<gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>>
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
> > 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > The archive of yesterday's call, to appeal the use of anonymous polling within this working group has been posted by ICANN. Notice how my presentation was interrupted immediately, and then we got completely bogged down by process issues. Another call is scheduled for next week.
> > 
> > <https://community.icann.org/display/...+Working+Group>
> > 
> > [The best link to use is the "AC Recording" (shows the chatroom, and audio, as well as ability to jump back/forth using the controls at the bottom).]
> > 
> > Have a nice weekend!
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > George Kirikos
> > 416-588-0269
> > <http://www.leap.com/>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM, George Kirikos <<icann at leap.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi folks,
> > > 
> > > In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis
> > > of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as
> > > previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > 
> > > George Kirikos
> > > 416-588-0269
> > > <http://www.leap.com/>
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <<icann at leap.com>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11
> > > > January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
> > > > (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was
> > > > sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to
> > > > attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the
> > > > relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.
> > > > 
> > > > Have a nice weekend!
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > 
> > > > George Kirikos
> > > > 416-588-0269
> > > > <http://www.leap.com/>
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