[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Fri Jan 12 21:52:20 UTC 2018

I don’t support nor oppose anonymous polling, most of us have been participating in this group for a long time so everybody has a general idea on our position.
This said, I concur that we are waisting time on a formality.  Even though a few formally supported anonymous polling also a few formally supported it, so we don’t know how many are in favor or against this for of polling.  That said, since the group is open to anybody, I don’t see what is the difference between anonymous or personal polling.
I would gladly support a majority decision on this issue in order to finish the work as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Osvaldo Novoa

El 12 ene. 2018, a las 17:45, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com>> escribió:

Agreed.  But that is not a reason in support of anonymous polling.  And "wasting time" in context of this working group is an ironic concept.  The entire WG has been a tremendous waste of time to try to solve a purported problem that has never been proved to exist.  And whose proponents have refused to participate in the WG.  It is all the more reason NOT to have an anonymous poll as an estimation of consensus.  After three years(?!), nobody should be inputting anonymous views into the process now.

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:22 PM, David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org<mailto:dmaher at pir.org>> wrote:
I think the group is wasting time arguing about procedure

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From: Mike Rodenbaugh [mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com>]
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Hi David,

Always good to hear from you.  Can you explain why, briefly?

Thanks,
Mike

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:00 PM, David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org<mailto:dmaher at pir.org>> wrote:
I support the use of an anonymous poll.
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From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Agreed this is ridiculous.  Does anyone except Petter and Phil support an anonymous poll of this WG?  I don't recall seeing any other support for it, so I am flabbergasted by their extraordinary efforts to force one on the WG.

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es<mailto:paul at law.es>> wrote:
My 2 cents.

Respectfully, this bickering must stop and we need to focus on resolution.

The underlying dispute was the objection to the use of an anonymous poll.  The main objection (at least from my understanding) was the anonymous part which leads to inaccuracies and potential abuse.

What was supposed to be a constructive attempt to resolve the dispute informally became embroiled in procedural objections.   Instead of making an effort to resolve conflict by listening to the objections involved in the appeal, the substantive discussion was aborted so a “record” could be created.

The result was a continued delay of the matter.

Of course this also means that the WG CONTINUES TO BE STALLED.  Why the process must be stalled because of the insistence to use anonymous polling is rather confusing to me.  It would appear that time is better spent actually moving forward and seeking to determine consensus in an open and transparent manner.

As said, my 2 cents.

Paul Keating

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On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:17, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>> wrote:
The call transcript can be found at https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/79429635/transcript%20Discussion%20George%E2%80%99s%20appeal%20under%20section%203%207%20GNSO%20WG%20guidelines%20%2011%20Jan%202018.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515769818000&api=v2

For the record, I disagree with George's characterization that he was "interrupted immediately".

What occurred was that George submitted a 12-page document with 28 footnotes that arrived by email just 76 minutes prior to the start of the call. I had no opportunity to read much less consider its content prior to the call.

When the call commenced I asked for mutual agreement that, given the length of the document and the fact that it arrived without advance notice, the co-chairs be accorded the courtesy of being given a few days after conclusion of the call to fully consider its contents and to respond in writing if they wished to do so. I expected this request to be noncontroversial but it proved otherwise.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Hi folks,

The archive of yesterday's call, to appeal the use of anonymous polling within this working group has been posted by ICANN. Notice how my presentation was interrupted immediately, and then we got completely bogged down by process issues. Another call is scheduled for next week.

https://community.icann.org/display/...+Working+Group

[The best link to use is the "AC Recording" (shows the chatroom, and audio, as well as ability to jump back/forth using the controls at the bottom).]

Have a nice weekend!

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
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On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com<mailto:icann at leap.com>> wrote:
Hi folks,

In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis
of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as
previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com<mailto:icann at leap.com>> wrote:
Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11
January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
(09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was
sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to
attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the
relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.

Have a nice weekend!

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
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