[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Tue Jan 16 17:31:09 UTC 2018

Just a note to express my hope that this WG will be able to amicably
resolve the procedural issues forthwith so that the WG may be wrapped up.
Also, I wish to reiterate my view that the WG has identified a fundamental
issue that goes to the heart of the UDRP, namely how to maintain
registrant’s long-standing right of access to the court system, and
accordingly there are broader implications which prevent us from addressing
some IGO concerns in a vacuum. This fundamental issue is beyond the scope
of this WG and is an issue for the RPM WG, and as such as previously
proposed, this matter should be deferred to the RPM WG which has the
mandate to handle issues which affect registrants and which may require
revisions to the UDRP.

*From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] *On
Behalf Of *David W. Maher
*Sent:* January-14-18 3:16 PM
*To:* Paul Keating; Mike Rodenbaugh
*Cc:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

I did not request anonymous polling. It’s OK so far as I am concerned. I
still think the group is wasting time on this issue.

David W. Maher

Public Interest Registry

Senior Vice-President – Law & Policy

+1 312 375 4849

*From:* Paul Keating [mailto:Paul at law.es <Paul at law.es>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:25 AM
*To:* David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org>; Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com>
*Cc:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

I agree with you.  Would you be willing to drop your request that the
polling be anonymous?

Or at least share with us why you think it should be?

Paul Keating

*From: *"David W. Maher" <dmaher at pir.org>
*Date: *Friday, January 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM
*To: *Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com>
*Cc: *Paul Keating <paul at law.es>, "gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org" <
gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
*Subject: *RE: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

I think the group is wasting time arguing about procedure

David W. Maher

Public Interest Registry

Senior Vice-President – Law & Policy

+1 312 375 4849

*From:* Mike Rodenbaugh [mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com <mike at rodenbaugh.com>]
*Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 2:13 PM
*To:* David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org>
*Cc:* Paul Keating <paul at law.es>; gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Hi David,

Always good to hear from you.  Can you explain why, briefly?

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Rodenbaugh

RODENBAUGH LAW

tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087

http://rodenbaugh.com

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:00 PM, David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org> wrote:

I support the use of an anonymous poll.

David W. Maher

Public Interest Registry

Senior Vice-President – Law & Policy

+1 312 375 4849 <(312)%20375-4849>

*From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] *On
Behalf Of *Mike Rodenbaugh
*Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 1:40 PM
*To:* Paul Keating <paul at law.es>
*Cc:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Agreed this is ridiculous.  Does anyone except Petter and Phil support an
anonymous poll of this WG?  I don't recall seeing any other support for it,
so I am flabbergasted by their extraordinary efforts to force one on the WG.

Mike Rodenbaugh

RODENBAUGH LAW

tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087 <(415)%20738-8087>

http://rodenbaugh.com

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:

My 2 cents.

Respectfully, this bickering must stop and we need to focus on resolution.

The underlying dispute was the objection to the use of an anonymous poll.
The main objection (at least from my understanding) was the anonymous part
which leads to inaccuracies and potential abuse.

What was supposed to be a constructive attempt to resolve the dispute
informally became embroiled in procedural objections.   Instead of making
an effort to resolve conflict by listening to the objections involved in
the appeal, the substantive discussion was aborted so a “record” could be
created.

The result was a continued delay of the matter.

Of course this also means that the WG CONTINUES TO BE STALLED.  Why the
process must be stalled because of the insistence to use anonymous polling
is rather confusing to me.  It would appear that time is better spent
actually moving forward and seeking to determine consensus in an open and
transparent manner.

As said, my 2 cents.

Paul Keating

Sent from my iPad

On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:17, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <
gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org> wrote:

The call transcript can be found at
https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/79429635/transcript%20Discussion%20George%E2%80%99s%20appeal%20under%20section%203%207%20GNSO%20WG%20guidelines%20%2011%20Jan%202018.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515769818000&api=v2

For the record, I disagree with George's characterization that he was
"interrupted immediately".

What occurred was that George submitted a 12-page document with 28
footnotes that arrived by email just 76 minutes prior to the start of the
call. I had no opportunity to read much less consider its content prior to
the call.

When the call commenced I asked for mutual agreement that, given the length
of the document and the fact that it arrived without advance notice, the
co-chairs be accorded the courtesy of being given a few days after
conclusion of the call to fully consider its contents and to respond in
writing if they wished to do so. I expected this request to be
noncontroversial but it proved otherwise.

Philip S. Corwin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org
<gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: gnso-igo-ingo-. <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the
IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Hi folks,

The archive of yesterday's call, to appeal the use of anonymous polling
within this working group has been posted by ICANN. Notice how my
presentation was interrupted immediately, and then we got completely bogged
down by process issues. Another call is scheduled for next week.

https://community.icann.org/display/...+Working+Group

[The best link to use is the "AC Recording" (shows the chatroom, and audio,
as well as ability to jump back/forth using the controls at the bottom).]

Have a nice weekend!

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269 <(416)%20588-0269>
http://www.leap.com/

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis

of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as

previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos

416-588-0269 <(416)%20588-0269>

http://www.leap.com/

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:

Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11

January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.

(09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was

sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to

attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the

relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.

Have a nice weekend!

Sincerely,

George Kirikos

416-588-0269 <(416)%20588-0269>

http://www.leap.com/

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