[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] [Ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Our next meeting and Result of consensus Call: IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms WG meeting on Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:00 UTC

Sat Jun 9 22:55:12 UTC 2018

Hi folks,

1) First off, it's entirely incorrect to call those the Results of the
Consensus call. They're the initial designation levels of consensus,
and are open to challenge and further revisions via the iterative
process of Section 3.6 of the Working Group Guidelines. The initial
designation levels are accompanied with a draft final report ---- we
should be given the draft final report, too, to review, ASAP. *That's*
what starts the true "Consensus Call" as per the working group
guidelines, i.e. the Draft Final Report + the Initial Designation
Levels.

2) Secondly, I noticed Jim Bikoff sent an email a few minutes ago
which appeared to change his support? i.e. on June 5, 2018 he wrote:

https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001217.html

"On the six policy options for a possible Recommendation Five, I can
support Option Four but only if Option One does not receive enough
support."

but then a few minutes ago, he wrote:

https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001240.html

"Also I do not support any of the policy options except No. 4."

I don't understand what's going on there.

3) Thirdly, it's pretty obvious some of the results are misstated,
e.g. my interpretation of Jim's June 5, 2018 email would have
prioritized Option #1, but then Option #4 if there was no consensus
for Option #1. [although, now today's email seems to change that]

When Reg wrote:

https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001234.html

I'd interpret it the same way, i.e. Option #1 first, then only #4 if necessary.

In other words, the way Petter's table has summarized things, it's
"binary". Contrast this with the much more detailed analysis I did
last time (this is based on the prior thread about public display of
possible consensus, and hasn't been updated yet):

https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-May/001172.html
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQrdpthCvFIGoECeVWbAuz315diOKXIj2JoO5XhLzk7C_9ariI3NKF8oOLt3PMsBIZg6JMXSvCiOANV/pubhtml

where it's not binary. I plan to redo that kind of spreadsheet with
the newer responses at some point.

The same goes for Recommendation #2 where only 4 folks' input is
indicated, and thus it's showing "divergence"??!!?? i.e. I'm not
against that recommendation --- I just want the language corrected.
i.e. I'm against it as written, but only because staff has continually
been imprecise. Furthermore, I think some people's silence on the
issue isn't "dissent" -- it might actually be support (i.e. they might
be relying on their past input on issues, and not just their most
recent responses in the past 2 weeks).

Anyhow, this is a mess. I'll have more detailed thoughts and analysis
later, but just wanted to put these out to get the discussion going.

This is *exactly* why we should have kept up with the weekly phone
calls, by the way! This is entirely the kind of thing that could have
been avoided, had the lines of communication been kept active. Now we
have a truncated and artificial deadline to fix this all up, or be
compelled to argue about "process" all over again (i.e. another
Section 3.7 disputing the results, blah blah blah). Let's try to work
hard and fix this mess, so we don't have to do that again.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Petter Rindforth
<petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> wrote:
> Dear All WG Members,
>
> Thank you for participating in our formal consensus call.
>
> I have studied your "votes" and comments, and made a summary at the attached
> document, to discuss further on Tuesday.
>
> For your information, as informed in the GNSO Working Group Guidelines:
>
> Full consensus: when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation
> in its last readings. This is also sometimes referred to as Unanimous
> Consensus.
>
> Consensus: a position where only a small minority disagrees but most agree.
>
> Strong support but significant opposition: a position where while most of
> the group supports a recommendation, there are a significant number of those
> who do not support it.
>
> Divergence: also referred to as No Consensus - a position where there isn't
> strong support for any particular position, but many different points of
> view. Sometimes this is due to irreconcilable differences of opinion and
> sometimes it is due to the fact that no one has a particularly strong or
> convincing viewpoint, but the members of the group agree that it is worth
> listing the issue in the report nonetheless.
>
> Minority View: refers to a proposal where a small number of people support
> the recommendation. This can happen in response to a Consensus, Strong
> support but significant opposition, and No Consensus, or can happen in cases
> where there is neither support nor opposition to a suggestion made by a
> small number of individuals
>
>
> All the best,
> Petter
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> 5 juni 2018 19:02:40 +02:00, skrev Andrea Glandon
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