[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Proposed agenda for the WG call on 12 June 2018 at 16:00 UTC

Tue Jun 12 12:04:34 UTC 2018

Hi folks,

New errors spotted in what staff sent out last night (just woke up,
and thought I'd do a fresh pass comparing the documents). For
Recommendations #1 through #4, it's clear that Jay Chapman and Nat
Cohen didn't have their input considered (which I recorded as the same
as Zak's). For the options in Recommendation #5, they *are* recorded
for those 2 gentlemen.

I think at this stage, the document that is most accurate is the one I
prepared. My spreadsheet was 3 hours of uninterrupted work, by the
way, by one (unpaid) person. [it would have taken less time, had I
tried not to make it 'pretty', i.e. the alternating background colours
by row on the far left columns, the colour scheme in general, the
border formatting, etc.]  It's also the easiest to use (all in one
table) and most functional (includes reference links to the input).
The staff-prepared document(s) are spread over multiple pages,
requiring much harder "navigation" for any person to check their
input, have less information, and don't capture some of the nuances in
positions.

Since there are only a few hours before the coming call, I'm not going
to waste further  precious time attempting to reconcile the two
versions anymore (there might be other errors in what staff produced,
but they can check their work against mine). I'll trust my document as
a solid starting point, unless folks start finding big errors in it.

As for today's call, I reiterate my availability for a Section 3.7
discussion (required with the Chair) either before or after it.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:00 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
> Actually, I spoke too soon. For Recommendation #2, the text was
> changed (to what I initially thought was acceptable), but it only
> captured *part* of the change, not the full change. i.e. my change
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> "An IGO may consider this to be an option where it does not have
> registered trademark rights or service mark rights in its name or
> acronym (as applicable) but believes it has certain unregistered
> trademark or service marks rights for which it might adduce….."
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> But this new document instead says:
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> "An IGO may consider this to be an option where it does not have
> registered trademark rights or service mark rights in its name or
> acronym (as applicable) but believes it has certain unregistered
> rights for which it might adduce….."
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> i.e. the *second* "trademark or service" marks is *missing* from this
> new version. So, unless the wording is changed again, count me as *NOT
> SUPPORT* of this text.
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> I'm going to go through this more thoroughly later, and consolidate
> all future comments into a single email.
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> Sincerely,
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> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/
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> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:34 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>> This is late, and given what I've posted the past few days, one would
>> have expected it to have been triple-checked for accuracy, etc. I went
>> directly to Recommendation #2, and noticed I'm now listed as "Support"
>> and Paul Tattersfield is listed as "do not support" (whereas in the
>> document before this, sent by Petter, both Paul T. and I were listed
>> as "do not support"):
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>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001238.html
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>> Here was my comment:
>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001219.html
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>> and Paul T's: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001237.html
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>> both of us wanted slight changing of the wording.
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>> So, I see that the document that Steve circulated *does* change the
>> wording, so my "Support" in the new document is accurate. But, then
>> since Paul T agreed with me (and presumably agrees with the new text),
>> why is he still listed as "Do Not Support"???
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>> Also,  we know from posts on the mailing list that Jim Bikoff
>> expressly said he only supports Recommendation #1 !
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>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001256.html
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>> "All, please understand my position in support of recommendation 1
>> that no change to UDRP or URS or special procedure is warranted.
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>> No support for other recommendations."
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>> So, that's 2 errors (i.e. Paul T flips to "Support" and Jim Bikoff is
>> added to "Do not support")
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>> So, this *still* has *obvious* errors, and I haven't even reviewed it
>> closely (so there could be, and probably are, even more). I have so
>> little confidence, I basically have to *redo* it on my own, on a
>> compressed time frame.
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>> As for the agenda, I'd like my new Section 3.7 appeal to be a topic
>> added to the agenda (which does require a call between the chair and
>> myself, and since we're both going to be present -- or it could be
>> immediately after the call), along with the general topic of how it's
>> humanly possible to get a final report out by Sunday. Or if it's
>> already been decided that that timeline is off the table, tell us now,
>> to release some pressure from this PDP.
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>> Sincerely,
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>> George Kirikos
>> 416-588-0269
>> http://www.leap.com/
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>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org> wrote:
>>> Dear WG Members,
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>>>
>>> With apologies for late delivery, as George noted, please find the proposed
>>> agenda for the WG call on 12 June 2018 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
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>>> Welcome / SOIs
>>> Review of Initial Consensus Level Designations
>>> Next Steps
>>> AOB
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>>> In regards to agenda item 2, please see the attached document to support
>>> those discussions. This document follows and is a revised version of the one
>>> sent by Petter on 9 June 2018.
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>>> Best,
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>>> Steve
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