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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Please find the MP3 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday, 05 November 2014 at 1700 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141029-en.mp3"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>105</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-en.mp3</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span>nov</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>George Kirikos - Individual<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul Tattersfield – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Petter Rindforth – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Phil Corwin – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mason Cole – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Lori Schulman <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> NPOC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gary Campbell – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Alexander Lerman – no SOI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David Healsley - IPC <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nat Cohen – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul Raynor Keating – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>Kathy Kleiman – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jay Chapman – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristine Dorrain- </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>Individual</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>ICANN 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Mailing list archives:</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Wiki 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript </u></b></span><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>for Wednesday, 05 November 2014:<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 5th November 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gary Campbell:Hi guys<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mason Cole:greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Paul Keating likely won't be able to make it (I had encouraged him to email his thoughts to the mailing list, so they could be considered during today's call)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@George, thanks for the head's up. I've prepared a document with Paul's notes that we can display on the screen when the topic comes up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:I'm sorry I'm not able to speak in the session today. Some issues in my side and not with the system at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Dietmar, thanks - we'll be watching the chat so feel free to post your questions/comments, if any!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Philip Corwin:Good day to all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:The document is unsync'ed so everyone should be able to scroll through it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Nat Cohen has joined audio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Letter looks good to me. We need more 'colour' from them, rather than just a conclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(conclusion = directive)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Agree with George's comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Rationale is good language. If they come back with no rationale, then that is informative -- little weight should be given to input that has no rationale.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:But, as we studied in subgroup B, half of the IGO reserved names aren't even registered in Article 6ter's database.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:Will do, thanks, Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(I'm not sure if the spreadsheet was posted to the Wiki yet)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mason Cole:Very short proposal from me: In the second question, it would read, "What is the GAC's rationale for opposing..."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Paul Keating has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:Hello all. Sorry I am late<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:My question on the GAC leadership vacuuum was based on the article at:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/03/icann_icant_iwont_lifting_the_lid_on_the_net_lord_and_master/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:And from me: "is it the GAC's understanding that the protections afforded to qualifying IGOs under Article 6ter of the Paris Convention would be the criteria for establishing standing under any dispute resolution procedure that may apply to IGOs?"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:"Unfortunately, the eventual winner of an election for the seat, Swiss civil servant Thomas Schneider, noted in his acceptance speech that it would take some time for him to reduce his current workload and suggested that Dryden stay on until the next ICANN meeting. Dryden was having none of it, leading to busy discussions about who would actually be in charge of representing the world's governments for the next four months."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Imran Ahmed Shah has joined <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(is everyone not talking on "mute"?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:we are finding the line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:The "active speakers" at the top of the attendees list can show 'noisy' lines)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:Phil/Peder, On the last item on the letter, I suggest you also reference the possibility of amending the Mutual Jurisdiction language to allow IGOs to limit immunity wavier issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Mason, that's true<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Paul, noted - thanks and I'll try to draft something<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:having problems with microphone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Perhaps he forgot to unmute?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:Can you see my chat above?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:We can see the chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:From Spain, you can dial in by voice at 34-91-414-25-33 or 800-300-053 (code = IGO).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:@George thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:OK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:The risk of doing that is that they come up with a solid position that won't consider our own research.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:@Paul Keating, I sent you a private chat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Turn off speakerphone or computer audio, if you're on the phone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:I agree George, there are other similar issues such as changes to process etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Rationale should be for "causes of problems".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Not for "rationales for their solutions."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:i.e. we want rationale for inputs, not rationale for "outputs", if that makes sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Kathy Kleiman has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Thre is an echo on the audio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Paul, please mute your computer to avoid echo with your phone line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:Hi All, sorry to be late.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Paul probably has speaker phone or computer speakers on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(Paul Keating, rather, since we have multiple Pauls)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:actually it was all muted. just using the screen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Petter, sorry, you're right - we did discuss all three issues for GAC response!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:I don't normally quote Wikipedia, but here is a part of the INSO discussion: "Both terms, NGO and INGO, should be differentiated from intergovernmental organizations (IGOs), which describes groups such as the United Nations or the International Labour Organization. An INGO may be founded by private philanthropy, such as the Carnegie, Rockefeller, Gates and Ford Foundations, or as an adjunct to existing international organizations, such as the Catholic or Lutheran churches. A surge in the founding of development INGOs occurred during World War II, some of which would later become the large development INGOs like Oxfam, Catholic Relief Services, CARE International, and Lutheran World Relief."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Right, Kathy. As in the original email I sent to the list, it seemed like a single member of the prior working group thought that being on the UNESCO list made that subset of INGOs comparable to Article 6ter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Which didn't make much sense, but that was the 'rationale' (or 'original sin', so to speak!).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:The ECOSOC list, to be exact.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@George, @Kathy - right. The prior WG went through a lot of discussions in trying to figure out which INGOs to include.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:how are the issues different?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:@Mary, what proposal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:Phils ref to IGOs and Red Cross<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:They are no different from the other issues in my email. IMHO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:@Mary, then isn't everything we are doing a waste of time - if the Board's New gTLD Committee is already proposing the answers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:That proposal wouldn't be a "Consensus Policy", though (whereas our work would).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Any policy we come up with would apply to all gTLDs (whereas the NGPC doesn't appear to have the abillity to touch .com/net/org, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:Dr Crocker replied to the GAC Communique on item 6 (the item after Protection of IGO Names & Acronyms)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/gac-to-board-25jun14-en.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@George, yes - our work would include legacy and new gTLDs, and could result in a Consensus Policy (or an amendment thereto)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:My understanding is that <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:ROC and IOC have lobbied the GAC directly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:Wrong link sorry - <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/crocker-to-schneider-03nov14-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/crocker-to-schneider-03nov14-en.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:As an operational concern, NPOC supports RPMs for INGO's in general but whether they should be different for different orgs is the bigger question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Paul, sorry - I put up the wrong document :( I put up my own summary and notes on what would need to be modified based on the NGPC's proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:I'll find the original document and send it to the WG mailing list ASAP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Paul Keating's point is a good one, that there be underlying principles or a framework. If it's a "shortcut" to not consider all INGOs, there should be some principle behind it (i.e. there's no special circumstances for them).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Do we know of any similiarly situated INGO's that have expressed concern about cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:If we look at the ECOSOC list, it seems obvious that many INGOs on that list do have registered TMs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:e.g. AARP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:http://csonet.org/content/documents/e2013inf6.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I need to leave the call but I support submitting the letter as per the earlier discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Covenant House has a US TM, see <a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=73294464&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch">http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=73294464&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:So, they *already* have access. Nothing prevents them from obtaining marks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:The standing issue re: who uses the RPM's makes the most sense to level the playing field.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Ciao<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:@Paul, while I agree, I think we are being asked to consider whether a "6ter" notification is equivalent to a federal trademark - or one we (WG) are willing to recognize<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I can't speak for the GAC but I would think that's the GAC/IGO position<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Red Cross and IOC already have many registrations, and they've used the UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:For IGOs anyway<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(not sure if they used the URS yet)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:@Kathy, That is a decision not up to us. The panelists can make that decision. The language exists in the Lanham Act and other national laws. Whether that is acceptable as a tm registration is up to the panels.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Paul, the difference may be that while it may make sense to "sub" a TM registration with international legal rights, that would apply to IGOs (and presumably also the RC and IOC) but it would bar INGOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:@All, I think we are being asked whether the "6ter" is something we want to expressly embrace in the UDRP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:That was Paul Keating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Before we go, should the subgroups continue meeting before the next call?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@George, we'll follow up with email and ntoes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:yes pls<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:Is Singapore definite?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:Yes Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:Tx Mary ... .and All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Bye everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy:Tx Chairs!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:Bye everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mason Cole:thanks!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Keating:Kathy, I woiuld like to continue the conversation <a href="mailto:Paul@law.es">Paul@law.es</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gary Campbell:Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>