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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday, 10
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><font face="Calibri"> <span style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 10 December 2014</span></font></p>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Is there a meeting next week? I believe Hannukah starts next Tuesday, although I'm not sure if that'll affect any of our participants/members.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:hello all.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hi Paul.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:We will discuss that during this meeting - we plan to have just a short update meeting</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Osvaldo.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Steve Chan:sorry all, let me put up the current version</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Petter: were you able to clarfiy the email to the IPC mailing list?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Nat Cohen is on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:It looks like it hasn't been sent to the Business Constituency yet (their mailing list is public at<a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/</a> )</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I think the registrars should recieve a copy as well since any change to the UDRP would require a change to the RA.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Paul might be on mute?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:*6 to mute/unmute, I think.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Paul, you need to activate your AC mic, as you are not on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:I believe the plan is to send to all SGs and Acs, including registrar SG</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I will through my MAC to the sea. Can you see my and George's comment.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I think it's going to every constituency, correct?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:thank you.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:I have not seen on BC list yet, public or private</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I will get this right one day :-(</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I had another question? (re the update?)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Did we get anything back from the IGOs or the GAC yet?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Steve Chan:Confirmed, the letter was sent to the BC. That chair may not have circulated to the wider group yet.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Philip Corwin:Steve, when you get a chance please circulate the finakl version of the letter as sent out so everyone can have for their records? Thanks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Thanks Steve.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Steve Chan:@phil, sure thing</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:<a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0222.html">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0222.html</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:But the UDRP is founded in trademark law as noted by the WIPO White Paper.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Any inclusion of non-trademark rights would require a substantive change to the 1st Element of the Policy.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Phil, There is also nothing to stop UDRP Panels from treating their names as if Common Law Trademarks....... I see no reason to deal with this given the substantial nature of changes that would be required.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:The UNITAID example I gave last week also had a TM: <a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2012-1922">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2012-1922</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I don't speak for IGOs but I suspect a concern is phishing. a legitimate business owning and operating IDEA.com is very different from some random person using it to divert funds, etc.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Peter, that is not a correct statement. Those UDRPs dealing with famous names were based ONLY on trademark.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I agree with George.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:agree with George as well</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@Kristine, such issues are really well beyond the scope of a UDRP.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:It would be more of an anti-impersonation policy. I think that can still be handled via the UDRP.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Phil, Janu 6/7 however is a very big day in Europe (Epiphany) and is actually more important than Christmas for many people.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:UDRP routinely handles phishing cases. If the IGO has a common law mark and the domain name owner is targeting that mark, even with an arguably "generic" word like IDEA, a high number of panelists are
going to transfer that name to stop the harm.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@Kristine, yes but only as a function of finding bad faith and lack of LI. It is not used as a substitute for finding a trademark.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Yes. It won't stop folks from phishing via "fake-hhhh.biz" for IDEA (to give an example), since "IDEA" doesn't appear within the domain.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I agree with Phil</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I was not saying a new policy is needed. I just answering the question about why an IGO might go after something "generic" like IDEA. Just one reason.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(i.e. they couldn't get relief for that via the UDRP). But, that'd be a very different DRP.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:correct. UDRP does not deal with content. Which is a different problem. :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I suggest we use next week to focus on Sov. Immunity and deal with teh trademark issue in January</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I am sorry but I must go to a client board call. Thank you to all and have a great weekend.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I think Paul Tattersfield had checked a few already.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(via TMView, etc.)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Have a great day, everyone.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mason Cole:So long</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Thanks everyong</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Thanks to you all!</div>
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