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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find attendance email with the updated AC chat. Thank you so much to Paul for pointing this out!</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Apologies for the inconvenience,</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 11:46 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting - Wednesday 2 March 2016 at 17:00 UTC<br>
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Hi Nathalie, <br>
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Just to let you know, the attached chat transcript is from an earlier meeting.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Nathalie Peregrine
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14px">Please find the MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Wednesday 2 March 2016 at 17:00 UTC at:</span><a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpssV0cEMX-2FX3adtG-2FybuOxZhFC3Cwn6DSQ-2FRkTxEpp2HKg-3D-3D_QuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2F2p-2FBvMgKvMhzp-2B4u8fP-2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzj1bh2A7z1-2BBUWgBTjMK4E1eiwCApKoFUfSGWPW8a6zYM3fdu0bhoDaJeDVBgDOcqiYBHijq-2Bu4YgJTgGfL9ncZvXlUk8Brca0VO962WYBXJ9CJ4V6iexd9OSHG0F1BdaUCKOq8Hto0J7bl1Yx5SgdCLahzMyDtP1gE0cEL4dwuXYjYItUjYyTIwHfVvj4-2Fmseyu-2FX-2BafVZZbxKg6dW0hcWVQvgnAw6aF7lEcdUL3eb8uTLqMaNyFTa-2FPjLavyV73cqPXEuI6fRNCI8OJ7rT6Bywvnt-2BnnzGUE43l0PfnQTR" style="line-height:22px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,102,178)" target="_blank"><font face="Calibri" size="3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-crp-pdp-02mar16-en.mp3</font></a></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri">On page:</span><span style="font-family:Calibri"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#m</a><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar" target="_blank">ar</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednsday 2 March 2016</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px;"> <span style="font-size: medium;">Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 2nd March 2016</span></p>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Rudi Vansick has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:sorry being late</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Paul Tattersfield has joined the cal</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:sorry for being late</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:From what we can tell, the substantive analysis is completed.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:23 pages with footnotes</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Kathy Kleiman has joined the call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:I was a bit concerned with the definitions for different types of immunity for example state immunity and sovereign immunity are not necessarily synonymous in some jurisdictions. I think perhaps it would be
helpful if these could be more closely defined</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:question : does sovereignity imply by default immunity in these cases ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:agree with Paul & George's re - recommendations/alternatives are beyond the Professor's mandate</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:As noted in email yesterday, the IGOs could also waive their immunity IMPLICITLY (not just relying on EXPLICIT WAIVER).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:World Bank had some language (that I emailed yesterday) about beefing up the explicit waiver language.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:The waiver happens at the UDRP provider, when the IGO initiates the dispute.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:very interesting discussion as I'm not a lawyer I'm learning a lot here ;-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:what if national law is conflicting towards the immunity ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:As a counter-example to his #2, another option (one which is less intrusive) is to allow the IGO to have the dispute brought by an agent, one who waives immunity (e.g. the Solicitor General in the country of
the domain name registrant). That's an option I've mentioned before, which balances the registrant's rights.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:So, when he says "The final memo will include a draft provision along these lines" (near the very end), can we hold a vote now to kill that?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Or, advise him?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:What time is the meeting next week, Eastern Time?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, yes. We will also inform the GAC and IGO reps of the session.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I would prefer that the synopsis be edited to remove the references to the alternative arbitration suggestion</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:5 hours time difference.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:utc isn'y it?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Here's a reminder of what the Professor was asked (the 4 questions):<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-December/000464.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-December/000464.html</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:He should just stay in scope, instead of going beyond that.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:Agree Jim very important</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Swaine isn't a policy setter -- we just want the facts on existing law.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:Agree. Request that point 2 (and the paragraph following) be removed from the synopsis</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:The existence of #2 would have an "anchoring" effect, which would prejudice our own discussions.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:+1 George</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I would just refer him back to the 4 specific questions he was asked.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:i agree with Petter</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:if we remove 2 people could think it was not taken in consideration</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:If you keep first paragraph of 2 then “There are” should be replaced with “Any”</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Rudi: yes I that's a risk</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Taka away the numbers is likely to most esy way to solve this right now</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:I'll be there from Saturday afternoon (late)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I had my hand up too.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Ok with me</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Click "Agree"</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:OK got it - we will communicate as such (remove second paragraph from Section 2) to Prof. Swaine by this weekend.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:agree</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:For purposes of discussion at our session next week.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Sorry, change my vote to delete the entire thing.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Yes, Phil.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:I support David</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:i prefer keeping 2 in</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:OK - sorry for jumping the gun.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:keep first paragraph of 2</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I would delete it all.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:is it too late to reword the 1st paragraph of 2?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Sorry but I must leave for another call. I am fine with either deleting all of 2 or keeping only the 1st paragraph of #2. I leave it to you but I dont thiink there is a sufficient consensus to deltete the entire
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<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Paul T - since we are talking about what to use for our meeting next week, I'm afraid so.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Is there any chance of moving the time of the meeting to noon (local time), which would make it 7 am Eastern time? (makes it accessible to more of us on the East Coast of the USA)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Otherwise, 9 am Marrakech time = 4 am Eastern time</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@George, we are told the schedule is locked so it may be very difficult.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Oh, ok, Mary. Will need to pull an all-nighter. :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:are there know samples ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Sorry, George - will let you know if anything changes.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Here are the 4 questions: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-December/000464.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-December/000464.html</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(have to scroll down, to see them)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:He might want to reformat it, then, to make our job easier?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:it is</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Corretc WET is UTC</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a great day!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:If the meetings were on Monday’s it would give more time in these circumstances</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rudi Vansnick:bye till soon in Marrakech</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Safe travels, All!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Tattersfield:Bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman: goodbye</div>
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