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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">on Thursday,
12 May 2016 at 16:00 UTC at:<o:p></o:p></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-12may16-en.mp3
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On page:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may" style="color: purple;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">George Kirikos - Individual</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Paul Tattersfield - Individual </span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Phil Corwin - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jay Chapman </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">–</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Individual</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thursday, 12 May 2016</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the Thursday, 12 May 2016.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hello </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome Phil.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hey Paul.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:I believe that petter will be unable to join today, so that I will be handling all the Chair duties</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:Hi Everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Jay.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hi George, interesting extensive comments </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The little box to the top right of the chat window lets people change their chat text colour, by the way, to add some flair/style. :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:oh that box wonder how you all did it in ther RPM WG</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We compiled all three sets of comments/questions into a single document</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:In order of receipt - George, Paul, Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Ye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:I'm not on the phone line. I appreciate the comments made - no specific remarks at this time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks, Jay.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:agree with George's point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome Nat!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nat Cohen:Hi Everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nat Cohen:Thanks George - just listening in</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, one problem with that is I don't know if/how ICANN can compel IGOs to always do that kind of "assignment",</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks, George - got it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:bottom of page 3</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Can we put up Paul Keating and/or Phil's on the whiteboard?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Sorry.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I see it now.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, all, one question staff has for all of you - if tehre are any commens/questions that you do NOT think need to go to Prof. Swaine.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:OK, just making sure :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:(and nothing to do with the fact that I also used to be a law professor who, yes, will have been used to questions and criticisms :))</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I don't think we'd actually get to that point, but putting it out there as something we might have to consider.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Since, registrants buying a domain name deserve to know which specific domains are affected.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(e.g. via the IGO reserved list, etc)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:If there is no change to a Consensus Policy, it is still possible to impose obligations on registrars - but that will have to be via contract (RAA amendment)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:The differing levels of immunity afforded to IGO’s adds even more complexity</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, it is certainly an option for the WG to consider distinguishing between the types of IGOs that are on the GAC list, e.g. UN agencies as distinct from other IGOs.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:and since it's denovo at the court level it's not actually an appeal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:BTW, do we know whether the IGOs are planning to give feedback to the Swaine report, and/or our previous letters to the IGOs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, we do not.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:At least, staff has not heard anything one way or the other about that.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Even the UN Agencies might not have immunity, e.g. if they don't have a treaty with a certain country, or do business within a certain country (e.g. some African UN agency might not have immunity
in Europe against a European domain name registrant, etc.).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It'd likely "depend", just as the Professor said, on th circumstances.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:100% of cases have said that assigning rights to an agent is OK (albeit, that's only 1 out of 1 cases). :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Would it be worth asking if the Professor knows of any other alternatives to UNICTRAL?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Paul, there are definitely alternatives, such as the ICC Rules.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Arbitrators rely on the applicable laws in a dispute - part of the proceeding being a legally binding determination (compared to, say a mediation)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Parties can also specify the number and qualifcations of the arbitrator(s) who would hear and determine the dispute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:So, an IGO might specify a Swiss judge (or retired judge), whereas a Canadian registrant might specify Canadian judges/retired judges.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Besides the UNCITRAL and ICC Rules, other options include the London Court of Int'l Arbitration and the American Arbitration Association (AAA) ICDR Rules.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:But, in a Canadian action, it'd be 100% Canadian judges.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Goerge, yes - but it would be difficult to compare the results in a court vs arbitration, since the latter is a legally binding substitute for the former (agreed as such between the parties)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Agree Immunity seems to be too fluid, it varies by degree, entity and jurisdiction as such it would be very hard not to be creating additional rights which the majority of IGO’s would not be afforded
in any other sphere.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Is the plan to have Professor Swaine attend next week's call?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(will he have enough time?)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes, and we will confirm with Prof Swaine again</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:We've bent over backward to be inclusive of the IGO reps.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Yes, it's his report, ultimately.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks Phil George, everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a great day.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Thanks everyone bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:thanks all</div>
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