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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: 14px;"> Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday,
08 September 2016 at 17:00 UTC</span></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Agenda: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/UxmsAw">https://community.icann.org/x/UxmsAw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi folks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hey Paul.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:How's things in Canada?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Great here, thanks. How are you today?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Great thanks, were having an Indian Summer so it's a good time of year</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:First things first, welcome back Steve Chan from medical leave!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Nice to hear things went well, Steve.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:Thanks Phil, Mary, everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mason Cole:Good to have you back, Steve!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Sounds good, Phil.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:#1 shouldn't be controversial.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:#1 good</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:We're just focusing on the BOLD language, for now.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:i do have questions about the final paragraph of the content for rec #1, but sounds like we're discussing this later</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes, that's right, Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Is there an email with the staff concerns that was sent to the mailing list??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, we have only discussed this with the co-chairs for now, as a follow up to last week's WG call</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:But if the co-chairs wish, we can forward that to the WG of course.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:that would help, Mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:+1 Phil. I think the UDRP panelists would give standing.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:One additional argument would be that it would fall under 3(xiii)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/udrp-rules-2015-03-11-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/udrp-rules-2015-03-11-en</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:"re warranted under these Rules and under applicable law," i.e. the words "and under applicable law" would trigger standing.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Lori Schulman has joined on the phone bridge only</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I am now online. Thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Lori Schulman is now on AC as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hi Lori</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Hi Paul</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Gary S. Campbell joined</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:1.7 of the WIPO overviews also show how "unregistered" rights can be demonstrated. <a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview2.0/#17">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview2.0/#17</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Gary S Campbell:Hi Guys</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Thank you. I heard the end of your opinion. I will listen to the recording.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Gary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:+1 George the registration of rights is only a marker in time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Thanks Phil.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Page 5 of 11.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(very bottom of page 5)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I am missing page 5</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:can't seem to scroll to it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Here's the text of Article 6ter: <a href="http://www.wipo.int/article6ter/en/legal_texts/article_6ter.html">http://www.wipo.int/article6ter/en/legal_texts/article_6ter.html</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Using the copy Mary sent last night</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I assume we want to capture the language "is not of such a nature as to suggest to the public that a connection exists between the organization concerned" ??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:That was my typing sorry.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:and also "such use or registration is probably not of such a nature as to mislead the public as to the existence of a connection between the user and the organization."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Changing that would mean creating new law, which we shouldn't contemplate.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Where it says "agent or licensee", perhaps make it "agent, assignee, or licensee"? (i.e. add "assignee" as a potential route)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I would be in favour of Option #1, because it most closely reflects the "status quo" if we did a thought experiment of "what would happen if the UDRP never existed". i.e. IGO would waive immunity
to bring a court dispute, if the UDRP doesn't exist. If Option 2 exists, then it would support gaming by complainants.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:George, what do you mean by gaming?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I'll try to get in queue.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:ok</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:exactly George</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:* 6 to unmute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:FWIW Lori's concern is one shared by staff as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:the issue here is not immunity, it is the likelihood that a registrant's domain name can be taken away from them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:without due process</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:due process = via a court of mutual jurisdiction</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Our reasons include the fact that a successful plea of immunity is not the same substantive ground as vitiating a panel decision.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:New hand.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:We posted evidence of cases where courts overturned arbitrators.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, yes, but after consideration of the actual case facts, not simply based on an IGO successfully pleading immunity, surely?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:IF arbitrators can't be trusted to give the correct decision, then removing the court option makes those arbitrators unaccountable.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:The system is not predictable. You cannot have a 100% predicatble system.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Courts are far more protective of due process than arbitration.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Judges make incorrect decisions too. We through ourselves at the mercy of any system.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:throw</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Yes, but courts have multiple levels of appeals, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:George I get that but IGO's are not typical rightsholders</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:that's the whole point</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I disagree, Lori. IGOs still have to go to the courts if I start selling UNESCO biscuits, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:My devil's argument would be "get rid of the UDRP completely", Option #3.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:George, totally unacceptable to trademark owners and you know that.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:What would IGOs (and TM holders) have as choices under Option #3??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The "bargain" in the creation of the UDRP was that it wouldn't override the courts.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:The point of the UDRP was to make the system efficient and reasonably reliable for all concerned.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:THe national courts still existed, for either side to use, if the decision was incorrect.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, it's likely that Option 3 is outside the scope of this WG.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I disagree, Lori. Vehemently.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Yes, but the UDRP is geared toward private parites.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:private parties</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:we don't have private parties here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:we have a governmental org</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:How is that treated in Canada?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:If you want a "more efficient" system, you could go the "URS" 1 page form, for the UDRP. THat would be very efficient.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Wouldn't get due process, though.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:URS does not impose permanent remedies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:names get recirculated not redelegated</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:or transferred</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:And my hand is up too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:George, I am talking about problems related to IGO's</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:Where an IGO licenses its rights to a third party for UDRP assertion, an option 1 or 2 would never arise, because immunity is not at issue</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:+1 Jay. We gave them the mechanism. They would only choose to avoid the licensing, etc., if they think they can game the outcome.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Sound was breaking up there.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I wasn't seriously proposing Option #3, but I am saying that Option #1 is more consistent with a hypothetical Option #3.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Should we jump to #5 first?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:i will defer my time to Mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Right, George, understood - so just noting for the record, nothing more.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(bottom of page 10)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Oops, looks like we have Rec #6 too.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I am not talking about parallel systems</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I am talking about arbitration as a reasonable road to address the concerns of an important minority of rights holders = IGO's</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Petter, this could be one of the open questions for which the WG seeks public input.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Reasonable for one side, but not both, Lori.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Mandatory arbitration has too many issues.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:George, we can find decisions that run favorable to registrants and investors</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:As does court action for IGO's --too many serious, complicated issues</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:UNESCO can take make roads to deal with its biscuits but lets stick to domain centered issues</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:many</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I disagreee, Lori. The law should be the same for biscuits as it is for domain names.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:demands, negotiation, mediation, arbitration. Court should never be a first resort</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:We shouldn't be creating new laws, here, just reflecting existing laws.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:We are.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I believe re IGO immunity.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:IGO waives that immunity, when it is the complainant.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It is 100% shielded, if it doesn't want to file any complaint.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:the standards of proof for actions in trademark vs domain cases aer not the same</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Let's suppose an IGO hacks my domain name registrar, and steals my domain name.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I am not a litigator so I can't go into deep details but I know that each cause of action has different legal hurdles</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I would be unable to sue them to recover my domain -- they have immunity there, because they are the defendant.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:trademark claims v domain claims</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:However, in the opposite situation, as complainant, they have to waiver their immunity, to take property through the legal system from someone else.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:then there is a forum for your recourse</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:that's how it works in U.S. a special court for the types of claims you describe so why not special forum</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:for IGO issue </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Which "IGO special court" exists for biscuit disputes?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:in US it court of claims</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:don't know outside of us</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:it is a court but with special rules for USG entities</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I don't know about IGO's</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Wish more were here to defend</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:that may say something too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:can't sue for TM and Copyight claims in US</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:it's an issue, I won't deny that but agencies are generally careful but no always</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Are we back to 12 noon next week? Or sticking to 1 pm (Eastern time)?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes, I think so, Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Not at the moment </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Will do, Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:This was lively. Thanks everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:appreciate the discussion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thank you all! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:Bye everyone - thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Next Call is set to 15 September at 16:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:thank you phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:thanks bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yesim Nazlar:Thank you all!</div>
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