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<div>Hi there Paul, </div>
<div>I am so sorry you had difficulty joining the Adobe Connect room today, I know there were some issues prior to the call when we had an outage but it was then resolved. I did you see you joined and when I look closer at the time frame, it looks like you
were only connected for 1 minute. Were you using Firefox or Google Chrome and also was it giving you any particular errors when you were trying to connect? </div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Michelle </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 1:57 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] [gnso-secs] RE: Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG<br>
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<div>Not sure others experience it but I could not join online today after attempting 3-4 times and once even early. I was placed in a que and the message said I would be connected. Unfortunately I was never connected. <br>
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<div>Paul Keating, Esq.</div>
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On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you Lori, </div>
<div>I will go ahead and note your apology – have a good rest of your day!</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Michelle </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 1:29 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[gnso-secs] RE: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My belated apologies. I had a conflict, again, this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lori<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">Senior Director, Internet Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle DeSmyter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear All,</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 29 September 2016 at 16:00 UTC at: </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Digo-2Dingo-2Dcrp-2Daccess-2D29sep16-2Den.mp3-255bmailer.samanage.com-255d&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=S53XROtutzJu8f3NMkaq4RQqCTmPbIuX_CP3qaToW6A&e="><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-29sep16-en.mp3</span>[audio.icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">George Kirikos – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Jay Chapman – Individual</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Paul Keating - NCUC</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Petter Rindforth - IPC</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Phil Corwin - BC</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;background:white">Osvaldo Noa - ISPCP</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Steve Chan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dennis Chang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thank you.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Kind regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Michelle DeSmyter </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 29 September 2016</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Petter Rindforth: Hi George, welcome!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Hi Petter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Michelle DeSmyter: Hi there George and Petter!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Hi Michelle.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Petter Rindforth: Hi! Calling in from another conference today, so I hope that you will not hear to much external noice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Welcome Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: I can hear you, Petter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: Good day all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Hi Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: Document is unsync'ed for all to scroll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: (we're at the bottom of page 6, top of page 7)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: There was a very good piece in the NY Times about the dangers of arbitration, see:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2015_11_01_business_dealbook_arbitration-2Deverywhere-2Dstacking-2Dthe-2Ddeck-2Dof-2Djustice.html-3F-5Fr-3D0&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=k4_Eoe5wkI4TQe4QXAp-fYBOmP4HYxQZbFt24xx-QUs&e=">
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/business/dealbook/arbitration-everywhere-stacking-the-deck-of-justice.html?_r=0[nytimes.com]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: for clarification - what color are the changes attributable to staff?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: More and more federal agencies in the US are also moving against arbitration, see:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2016_09_29_business_dealbook_arbitration-2Dnursing-2Dhomes-2Delder-2Dabuse-2Dharassment-2Dclaims.html-3F-5Fr-3D0&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=fRBFfhM4HRpb9pHqEygvVOuBBzWaxofPpbPZ_ko6jG0&e=">
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/business/dealbook/arbitration-nursing-homes-elder-abuse-harassment-claims.html?_r=0[nytimes.com]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: Hi Jay, on screen tje staff changes display in orange in this section<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: got it. thanks, Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: A third piece worth reading,
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2015_11_02_business_dealbook_in-2Darbitration-2Da-2Dprivatization-2Dof-2Dthe-2Djustice-2Dsystem.html&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=iaXxRLY-AD9ezSp9M1GGq3lzyEfLOKpD5jYKL7SydZM&e=">
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/business/dealbook/in-arbitration-a-privatization-of-the-justice-system.html[nytimes.com]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: No worries - it's starting to look quite colorful, we know. You can also see more clearly in the Word document who made what changes, and in what color.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: 10-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: @Petter, yes, that was the intent of adding "published" - to make clear it's a publicly available document, not just something sent to the GAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: @George--those US cases involve instances in which consumers have been required to waive their access to court, including the bringing of class actions, and to only use arbitration for compalints.
very different than UDRP/URS, which are options in addition to court adjudication<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Is this document accurate on the different degrees of "consensus" in a PDP?
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_consensus-2Dlevels-2Dproposal-2D16sep14-2Den.pdf&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=gB6grv4HAxDADxsKay8H91XiwD7Gpl-z1e93dhi9vm0&e=">
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/consensus-levels-proposal-16sep14-en.pdf[icann.org]</a> (might be outdated)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: George's audio isn't very clear here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Sorry, Paul. Are we at "consensus", if there are just one or two people against Option 1?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: i.e. "full consensus" vs. "rough consensus" vs. "consensus" vs. .....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: thanks George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: +1 Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: We can say consensus (without the word rough), and ask for specific objections from the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: Consensus in the WG Guidelines = where most agree, and only a small minority disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: I don't see it as intolerable situation for the IGO --- if the UDRP didn't exist, they would have had to waive immunity. Sending it back to arbitration (with all its weaknesses) is less fair, given
they routinely get it wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: @Phil, note that the UNCITRAL Rules don't limit the venue/arbitrator/entity to any particular provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: (that's why we wanted to highlight the distinction between specifying the arbitration entity and the applicable rules for an arbitration)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: Human rights came up in the RMP WG, could be relevant here as with a biased arbitration a right to be fairly heard would be have been denied
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Footnote 2 of the document I linked to said explicitly: " It should be noted, however, that in the case of a GNSO
PDP originated Working Group, all reports, especially Final Reports, must restrict themselves to the term “Consensus” as this may have legal implications."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: (sorry for the formatting)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Vitiating the UDRP/URS decision, though, preserves the "status quo" (i.e. as if the UDRP didn't happen), in the event that the court somehow finds that the waiver was insufficient to overturn the
immunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: An aside: The new font in this chat window is not as clear as the previous chatroom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: @Paul T, we just increased the font size - does that help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: yes seems clearer not any larger which is good<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: thanks :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Some additional articles on forced arbitration:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.afj.org_our-2Dwork_issues_eliminating-2Dforced-2Darbitration&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=wSnwyFR_H_wa2pkmMR8x9baQ-0T7IbDwVkHmhPKsd0o&e=">
http://www.afj.org/our-work/issues/eliminating-forced-arbitration[afj.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: And additional reading:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.citizen.org_congress_article-5Fredirect.cfm-3FID-3D7332&d=DQMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=TZKScZK6VOVCcn_lbJTd7jpPXyM0fJB9afp_qgG9u1Q&s=EZ4qnxDVkwhIIFda_YcZ_4xVzsRyGTjiNQWudBK7CHI&e=">
http://www.citizen.org/congress/article_redirect.cfm?ID=7332[citizen.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: @Petter, yes, we will likely reword this para on consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Not "full consensus", but we have reached "consensus".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: (since that's the PDP guidelines)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: Question for staff: Under WG procedures, what level of consensus is required to adopt a recoimmendation in the FINAL report? Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: a second bite at the apple, yes Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: Thanks, Jay, for clarifying - we just wanted to be sure the WG is aware of and has considered this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: Thanks, Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: It's forum shopping.....the IGO isn't restricted from filing a complaint in court (rather than use the UDRP). But, strategically, they would choose the venue where the odds are skewed in their favour
(UDRP, arbitration, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: The ability to have recourtse to the national courts isn't just a check on the IGO or the domain name registrant --- it's a check on the entire system of arbitration or UDRP (i.e. on the providers).
Otherwise, there can be a permanent deviation from the laws of the various nations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: Very helpful - thanks, Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: You're (all) most welcome!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: George +1 'a permanent deviation' or worse over time an increasing deviation
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: +1 Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: agree Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: At least a week for a thorough review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: agrree Phil 2 weeks would be better<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: (Paul Keating did a first pass, but I know I haven't done as much as I wanted, given it was always changing)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: (as did Petter)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: Section 6 is cl;eaely most important, and if were are unable to issue complete draft report pre-Hyderabad we should probably put out Section 6 draft to focus discussion in Hyderabad. On that, do
we know yet when this WG will meet there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">George Kirikos: Bye folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: Agree, Phil - we will check on the actual WG meeting time and day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: That helps Mary, and is along the lines of what I just proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mary Wong: We've submitted a request so we should be on the official schedule for sure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jay Chapman: Thanks, everyone. Progress continues!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Tattersfield: thanks all bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: I will chair next week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Philip Corwin: Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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