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<font face="Calibri">Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 13 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC at: </font><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-crp-pdp-13oct16-en.mp3
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<font face="Calibri">On page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23oct&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=WQbWGIJMveDL4JQUV9LwXzg3WnjS3gvI-BF12n4VOQM&s=N8qDCFyjQ9zGaUjf14ZffWw6VR8-NfCkDx5Q6gbMgsg&e=">https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct</a></font></p>
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<font face="Calibri">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<font face="Calibri">Jay Chapman – Individual</font></p>
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<font face="Calibri">Lori Schulman - IPC</font></p>
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<font face="Calibri">Mason Cole – RySG </font></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">Petter Rindforth - IPC</span></p>
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<font face="Calibri">Phil Corwin - BC</font></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">Paul Keating - NCUC</span></p>
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<font face="Calibri">Steve Chan</font></p>
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<font face="Calibri">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thursday, 13 October 2016</span></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms WG on Thursday, 13 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello, hello!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:Hi George & Michelle</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle & Petter.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome Paul.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Quiet day today</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The proposal starts on Page 3 of the PDF</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:When Petter concludes I'd like to speak first to provide background on GNSO Council discussions of this Proposal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome Lori.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I don't have audio yet.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:waiting...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Peter is just reading the letter from the small group proposal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I have audio now.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I'm late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Osvaldo.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Proposal #1 is not within our PDP's scope (it's not curative). Should our charter be amended to comment on it?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(#1 is preventative)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, I don't believe so - that is the subject of a completed PDP and the GNSO has a different process to deal with amendments to that.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:I think that 1 is related because it goes to the basis of the CRP so we could comment on it. Our comments on 6ter do cover it unless I am missing something. 6ter is not trademark law but trademark
registries are used to implement</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Agree with Petter on this point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Petter, I can answer that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield: It’s useful to have point 1 in the proposals as it gives the proposal completeness</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, the IGO names will be protected according to the recommendations of the original PDP WG.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:@Mary: It was my expectation that the IGO names themselves on the reserved list would disappear (i.e. the reserved list would be sunsetted at some point).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, no - the original PDP confirmed that IGO full names will be reserved at the second level</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:@Mary: Wouldn't that encourage gaming, then, since IGOs would be incentivized to change their names to their acronyms??!!??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(i.e. change "United Nations" to "UN" and thus reserve "UN" in all TLDs)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The names are what is on the GAC list, unless amended by the GAC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Agree, Phil. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:#2 and #3 are fully handled by the UDRP & URS respectively, via the assignee, agent, licensee routes, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Exactly George, ICANN should concentrate on providing mechanisms for all groups not selected or promoted groups/interests.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:Just want to repeat that Agency is not workable solution. License maybe. Only assignment works and that is not a business model that IGO's follow.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:@Mary: But don't those recommendations (for full names) only apply to new gTLDs? Whereas our work also includes legacy gTLDs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(i.e. I don't think that reserved list applies to .com)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:yes George</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Berry Cobb:@George, the 2nd level reservations for full names applies to ALL gTLDs (new & Legcy) <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_active_igo-2Dingo&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=ueoqrznX6vL4tbpQNaqcZdSBIIJwlGnzOc0Kmqej0uY&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_active_igo-2Dingo&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=ueoqrznX6vL4tbpQNaqcZdSBIIJwlGnzOc0Kmqej0uY&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, that is correct - and is one of the follow on sub questions I alluded to.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reserved-2D2013-2D07-2D08-2Den&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=C1ahcMo5AISbPc3rnUd8B2YJDdyHGb_EAXkjQaKExRU&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reserved-2D2013-2D07-2D08-2Den&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=C1ahcMo5AISbPc3rnUd8B2YJDdyHGb_EAXkjQaKExRU&e=</a>
<<-- confirms it is for new gTLDs </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:i.e. meshing recormmendations for: (1) all IGOs versus IGOs on the GAC list, and (2) New gTLD mechanisms versus all gTLDs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Berry Cobb:@ George, that is because the recommendations from that first PDP have not been implemented yet. Once done, that Spec 5 list will change, and also will become policy advisories for legacy TLDs.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:But the Full Names policy will apply to all gTLDs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:(as Berry has just noted)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Amusingly, some of the IGO acronyms collide, e.g. World Trade Organization, World Tourism Organization = WTO :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:I think the proposal is helpful because it sets out clearly what the IGOs & GAC want and most of that can easily be dealt with within the current UDRP & URS mechanisms </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:+1 Paul</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:I think we should deal with the proposal first, line by line and see how it can be implemented</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:URS?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Isn’t that what URS is for?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Right, Paul.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Petter, yes, that's another example - hence our suggestion that we take a closer look at the scope of the proposals.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I think Phil's hand is new.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:And mine was vestigial :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Paul T, just saw your suggestion. We can convert the document for that purpose, to Word or Google doc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Those are just weak rephrasings of the UDRP/URS, as Phil says.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:agree Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, that will be an EXCELLENT point to make, esp in Hyderabad when you and Petter present the initial recommendations to the community</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It'll be done when it's done.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Now that the IGO small group has made a proposal, any chance they'd be amenable to participating in a call with us? Or do we interpret their report as a desire to not work with us? (i.e. we just shoot
competing written reports back/forth)?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:We can certainly describe our likely recommendations in Hyderabad, even if final text is not ready because of the need to respond in detail to the IGO Proposal.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(they do seem to have observers to our mailing list, although no active participants within it)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Sounds good, Petter.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:I don't see any need rto specifically invite them to present to us. They are free to attend and to make comments.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Agree Petter, I think we should hold off on the report if necessary we have fully dealt with the small group proposal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Are we at 1 pm (Eastern time) next week too?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye folks. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:thanks bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori Schulman:ciao</div>
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