[Gnso-igo-ingo] [Ext] Re: Fw: Proposed agenda for the first meeting of this reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Wed Jun 21 15:29:41 UTC 2017
I missed this thread when it started.
We have always (as long as I can recall anyway)
allowed people to join a PDP WG part-way through
the process - with an understanding that they
need to get up to speed on the issues. I see
nothing wrong with people joining a reconvened
PDP WG. If it is reconvened, it is back in
operation (with a more targeted mandate) - no reason to impose new rules.
Moreover, it is certain that some of the original
participants may not wish to play in the sandbox,
so replacing them would also be a natural occurrence.
Alan
At 21/06/2017 11:10 AM, Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch wrote:
>Dear all
>
>first of all, thanks to Greg for raising an important question.
>
>I am not too familiar with the exact procedural
>aspects of GNSO work, but the point that I am making is a rather general one:
>
>We all agreed that it would be useful and in the
>interest of all if GNSO PDPs were as be open and inclusive as possible.
>And we also agreed that the GAC should engage as
>early as possible in GNSO work that is relevant
>from a public policy perspective.
>
>So I think it is important that GAC (as well as
>all other stakeholders) are able to participate in this particular workstream.
>
>whether this is now a new or resumed old process
>and whether you can or have to do a new public
>call or not, I can^t tell, but in any case all
>this should allow all those who want and who
>should to participate in this and all of this should be done transparently.
>
>I hope this helps J
>
>Thomas
>
>Von: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong at icann.org]
>Gesendet: Montag, 12. Juni 2017 18:26
>An: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org
>Cc: Schneider Thomas BAKOM
><Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch>; Charlotte
>Lindsey Curtet <clindsey at icrc.org>; Cancio Jorge
>BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>; Mark
>Carvell <mark.carvell at culture.gov.uk>; Stephane Hankins <shankins at icrc.org>
>Betreff: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Fw:
>Proposed agenda for the first meeting of this
>reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
>
>Dear Greg and everyone,
>
>Staff is consulting with Thomas and the GNSO
>Council leadership regarding the question you
>raised. Our understanding was that the
>consultation that is mandatory in this policy
>amendment process is with the original PDP
>Working Group, reconvened, and is thus not a new
>Working Group (which would require an open call
>for volunteers). Observers to the GAC (e.g. the
>Red Cross and various IGOs) were participants in
>the Working Group, however, which was formed in
>the days when GNSO Working Groups did not have
>the option to sign up only to be an observer, so
>one option here could be for new participants to
>be observers rather than members to the Working Group.
>
>In any event, we will confirm once the GNSO
>Council leadership has had a chance to discuss the matter.
>
>Thanks and cheers
>Mary
>
>From: Greg Shatan <<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 00:04
>To:
>"<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org"
><<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
>Cc: Mary Wong
><<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>mary.wong at icann.org>,
>"<mailto:Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch>Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch"
><<mailto:Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch>Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch>,
>Charlotte Lindsey Curtet
><<mailto:clindsey at icrc.org>clindsey at icrc.org>,
>"<<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>"
><<mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>,
>Mark Carvell
><<mailto:mark.carvell at culture.gov.uk>mark.carvell at culture.gov.uk>,
>Stephane Hankins <<mailto:shankins at icrc.org>shankins at icrc.org>
>Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Fw: Proposed
>agenda for the first meeting of this reconvened
>PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
>
>I thought that Stephane's request raised an
>interesting procedural question/quandary, and I
>was a little surprised to see it granted without discussion.
>
>The PDP Manual is rather sparse, stating only
>that the first step in the
>amendment/modification process is that: "The PDP
>Team is reconvened or, if disbanded, reformed,
>and should be consulted with regards to the
>proposed amendments or modifications;"
>
>I had thought of this as "getting the band back
>together again," i.e., bringing together the
>team that had participated in the original PDP
>process so they could be consulted based on
>their experience and expertise gained through
>the deliberations of the Working Group. As such
>I had the idea that the reconvened WG was
>limited to the pre-existing members of the WG.
>
>Of course, Working Groups are generally open to
>new participants at any time, unless stated
>otherwise, and subject to certain limitations
>(i.e., later joiners must read the existing
>documents, etc. of the group and may not re-open
>decided points absent compelling new
>evidence). It was just not clear to me that
>this general rule applied to a reconvened
>working group, given my understanding of why the
>"old" group is reconstituted rather than just forming a new group.
>
>If the general rule applies, and the group is
>open to new members, doesn't it then make sense
>to put out a general call for new members? We
>should allow all stakeholders the same
>opportunity, rather than having new membership be "by invitation only."
>
>To me, the current situation is a somewhat
>uncomfortable midway point between bringing the
>old gang together and essentially convening a
>new group under the name of the old one.
>
>It would be unfortunate to start our work with a
>procedural irregularity, particularly where the
>invitation for selected new members to
>participate has come from the party that is
>inarguably most interested in the outcome of
>this process. This could set an unfortunate
>precedent for future work under Section 16.
>
>I look forward to the thoughts of
>others. Apologies that I cannot be on Wednesday's call to raise the issue.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Greg
>
>On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Stephane
>Hankins <<mailto:shankins at icrc.org>shankins at icrc.org> wrote:
>Dear Mary,
>
>Many thanks for the agenda of the first call of
>the reconvened PDP Working Group, just received.
>
>On Jorge Cancio's suggestion, could you kindly
>consider to add the names and e-mails of Thomas
>Schneider, Jorge Cancio and Mark Carvell to the
>distributions' list and invitations for the
>reconvened PDP Working Group meeting calls. It
>is important that the voice of member States of
>the GAC be also, and as far as possible, represented.
>
>Could you also kindly add Charlotte's name and
>e-mail as well (Charlotte Lindsey:
><mailto:clindsey at icrc.org>clindsey at icrc.org).
>
>With thanks and kind regards,
>
>Stéphane
>
>
>Stéphane J. Hankins
>Legal adviser
>Cooperation and coordination within the Movement
>International Committee of the Red Cross
>Tel (direct line): ++0041 22 730 24 19
>
>----- Forwarded by Stephane
>Hankins/DIR_GEN_MOUV_CHF/GVA/ICRC on 12.06.2017 12:11 -----
>
>From: Mary Wong <<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>mary.wong at icann.org>
>To:
>"<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org"
><<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
>Date: 12.06.2017 12:00
>Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Proposed agenda
>for the first meeting of this reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
>Sent
>by:
><mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo-bounces at icann.org
>
>
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>Please find below the proposed agenda for this
>first call of our reconvened PDP Working Group,
>which agenda has been approved by Thomas Rickert, our chair:
>
>1. Roll call/reminder to updates Statements of Interest
>2. Overview of the GNSO policy amendment
>process (i.e. steps, possible outcomes, role of
>the Council and the Board vis-Ã -vis the WG etc.) (led by GNSO Council Chairs)
>3. Review and discussion of the scope of
>the GNSO Council request (led by GNSO Council Chairs/Thomas Rickert)
>4. Recap of why and what brought us here
>(i.e. overview of the Copenhagen facilitated
>discussions highlighting the post-PDP
>developments (GAC advice) and the limited nature
>of the list of Red Cross names) (led by GNSO Council Chairs/Thomas Rickert)
>5. Recap and review of the original policy
>recommendations (led by Thomas Rickert)
>6. Discussion of a possible timeline for
>the WG and reporting back to the GNSO Council (led by Thomas Rickert)
>7. Next steps/next meeting
>
>For this first meeting, you may find the following links helpful:
>GNSO Council request to initiate this policy
>amendment process -
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_resolutions-2320170503-2D071&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=QGhvleIaz1jrmwV718n0k1y-rJ_0On-AZiujfA7YJfA&e=>https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#20170503-071[gnso.icann.org]
>
>The GNSO PDP Manual (this policy amendment
>process is described in Section 16) -
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_annex-2D2-2Dpdp-2Dmanual-2D01sep16-2Den.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=Hu0SXxhOC8-dtzhxFXoCQOQGSCCxDrWbzfXvs3K1hw8&e=>https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-2-pdp-manual-01sep16-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org]
>
>The original (Nov 2013) Final Report from our
>Working Group -
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_igo-2Dingo-2Dfinal-2D10nov13-2Den.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=gMGjzT8WmhuN8C6m0uMBbyS_m9s-EhWHOdGtp71pQ_M&e=>https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/igo-ingo-final-10nov13-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org]
>(the Minority Statements can be found here:
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_igo-2Dingo-2Dfinal-2Dminority-2Dpositions-2D10nov13-2Den.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=7CeYaWSLu7EeXwraUq4VFVRwprp_nOBhZE0LtKkdxak&e=>https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/igo-ingo-final-minority-positions-10nov13-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org])
>
>Transcript and recording from the ICANN58
>GAC-GNSO facilitated dialogue on Red Cross names
>-
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__schd.ws_hosted-5Ffiles_icann58copenhagen2017_39_Transcript-2520IGO-2520Red-2520Cross-252011-2520March-2520Copenhagen.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=UrP849cI9lPRht0iHnOiKp26RaK8BzXbecuCfJJ7ruA&e=>http://schd.ws/hosted_files/icann58copenhagen2017/39/Transcript%20IGO%20Red%20Cross%2011%20March%20Copenhagen.pdf[schd.ws]
>(transcript);
><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_meetings_cph58_cph58-2DOPEN-2D2017-2D03-2D11-2DT0655-2Dhallc14-2DoQgDtIEBJGGxfDtpEgbCTflp7NUkfeeE-2Den.m3u&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=yaJNcfh31vRfFrojIqOxU1z_2Wnf3Gxn2usmZVzs8Ss&s=bM2TXLwMgdR9GrSjbc6RAIPSV-TCTt_3nGNPtXDgL3I&e=>http://audio.icann.org/meetings/cph58/cph58-OPEN-2017-03-11-T0655-hallc14-oQgDtIEBJGGxfDtpEgbCTflp7NUkfeeE-en.m3u[audio.icann.org]
>(recording)
>
>Thanks and cheers
>Mary
>
>
>From: Mary Wong <<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>mary.wong at icann.org>
>Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 01:52
>To:
>"<mailto:christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com"
><<mailto:christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>,
>"<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org"
><<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
>Subject: Scheduling the first meeting of this
>reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
>
>Dear all,
>
>Thank you to everyone who has responded, and for
>those who have not, we will be grateful if you
>can let us know whether you will be available to
>participate in the consultation with the GNSO
>Council concerning a proposed amendment to the
>policy recommendation developed by this Working
>Group in relation to Red Cross National Society
>and international movement names.
>
>Following consultations with Thomas Rickert, the
>Chair of this Working Group, and the GNSO
>Council leadership, staff will be scheduling the
>first call on this topic for Wednesday 14 June
>at 1800 UTC. Please look out for a calendar
>invitation and call-in details shortly.
>
>For those who are intending to participate in
>this reconvened Working Group but who cannot
>make that first call, please note that the call
>will be recorded and transcribed, as is the case
>for all GNSO Working Group discussions and meetings.
>
>Thanks and cheers
>Mary
>
>From:
>"<mailto:christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com"
><<mailto:christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>christopher.lamb17 at gmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 11:20
>To: Mary Wong
><<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>mary.wong at icann.org>,
>"<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org"
><<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
>Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] PLEASE READ:
>Reconvening this Working Group - a message from GNSO Council Chairs
>
>Dear Mary,
>
>Thanks very much for this. I’m not sure that
>I will have a lot to contribute beyond my
>support for the consensus, but I’m happy to be part of the action!
>
>All the best
>
>Chris
>
>Christopher Lamb
>43/27 Flinders Lane
>Melbourne 3000
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><tel:+61%203%209942%206679>+61 3 9942 6679 (fixed)
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>
>From: Mary Wong
>Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 20:03
>To: <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org
>Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] PLEASE READ:
>Reconvening this Working Group - a message from GNSO Council Chairs
>
>Dear members of the 2012-2013 Working Group on
>IGO-INGO Protections in All gTLDs,
>
>On behalf of the current GNSO Council Chairs, I
>write to ask that you read the attached letter
>from them, relating to a reconvening of our
>Working Group for the purpose of consultation
>about a possible modification of our initial
>policy recommendation concerning certain Red
>Cross National Society and international movement names.
>
>As requested in the letter, the GNSO Council
>will greatly appreciate your reply to this email
>list, indicating if you will be available to
>participate in that consultation, by Friday 9 June 2017.
>
> Thanks and cheers
> Mary
>
>
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director & Special Adviser for Strategic Policy Planning
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> Email: <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>mary.wong at icann.org
> Telephone: <tel:(603)%20574-4889>+1-603-5744889
>
>
> On 11/21/13, 15:48,
> "<mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>owner-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org
> on behalf of Thomas Rickert"
> <<mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>owner-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org
> on behalf of <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
>
> All,
> as you will have noted, the GNSO Council
> has unanimously adopted the consensus recommendations made by our WG.
>
> The collaborative spirit, the timeliness
> of our work, the time spent by all of you and
> the fact that we came to consensus on many
> points despite the diverse views represented in
> the WG was very much applauded by Council
> members, Board members and individuals that spoke up.
>
> It is my pleasure to pass on this
> commendation to all of you and I would like to
> personally thank all of you again as well as
> Berry, Mary and Marika from ICANN staff for their outstanding work.
>
> I hope that this e-mail list will continue
> to exist until such time when we know whether
> the Board will accept the recommendations and
> when it comes to implementing an IRT (Implementation Review Team).
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
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